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Which is the best movie of the Brosnan era?

GoldenEye 6 54.55%
 
Tomorrow Never Dies 2 18.18%
 
The World is Not Enough 2 18.18%
 
Die Another Day 1 9.09%
 
Total:11
Snesboy said:

I loved the intro.

The movie jumped the shark for me at the invisible car. The slow mo was very annoying, like it was trying to be the Matrix. I found them to be even worse than the green screen shots.

3 out of 10 for me, too.

It's funny how many entries in popular franchises from the late 90s and early 2000s that were slammed hard on their initial release are being revisited by fans, and being judged to be not as bad as we thought they were at the time... except for Die Another Day, which most people still seem to agree completely sucks ass.

Not that I can disagree with that assessment, mind you.



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PSA: As we head into the Craig era, streaming options once again become limited, however for those with HBO or any of its associated apps, Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace are among the options.



Die Another Day

Opening credits are awful – a very music video style sequence.  The theme tune, its certainly a divisive one, people either love it or really hate. I’m actually ok with it even if it doesn’t fit the film and led to Madonna’s awful cameo.

So I'm not actually going to review any further, this is film is so bad it's not even worthy of it.
I'll just note some of the embarrassments:
Needlessly terrible looking Green Scene after Green Scene sequences, half of which could have easily been shot with stunts on location.
Invisible Car, windsurfing, the danger room sequence with the sunglasses, almost every actin sequence in slow-motion, Michael Madsen looking like it doesn't want to be here, the creating of some stupid DNA restructuring storyline seemingly so they can have a North Korean villain but played by a white British guy...

Stephens is even less intimidating as a villain than Jonathan Pryce, an at least Pryce had the excuse of age and playing a media mogul, not a general.
Rosemund Pike is the only person who comes out of this with any credibility.

Atrocious... 1/10.

Last edited by noir_solitude - on 08 March 2020

I just saw License to Kill.

I'm surprised they decided to go this route. Deciding to abandon the spy stuff for a police theme is probably one choice that sounded good in paper, but it just ends up not working well enough. Plus, they have so many clichès from your typical cop flicks, they even had the scene where Bond had to give up his badge in a way! The whole movie I'm thinking that, while Bond is chasing this druglord, some maniac elsewhere is trading with nukes or making a space station that somehow nobody noticed. Chasing a cartel is too small a task for a figure like Bond. I mean, it's nice to see Bond taking revenge for the people he cares about, but still, it's just not the right plot for him. Plot aside, the movie is pretty competent. Dalton makes an excellent Bond, and it's a shame he only ever made two movies with the character. The whole "I work alone" shtick got old quite fast, though. Seriously, he could have taken the bad guy quite early if he hadn't been so stubborn. The villain is quite threatening, but it's not particularly memorable. His executions are, though, death by depressurization is terrifying, if not somewhat outlandish. The chase scene at the end is quite good, but I was constantly thinking that, with all of those bullets going around at all times, the tankers should have exploded way earlier.

Overall, it's middle of the road. A 7/10. I would have said it's a 6, but Dalton's performance and the last bigh action scene at the end push it to a 7.



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I just saw Goldeneye. Let's see if I can close the gap this week.

As the first movie from the next period on this franchise, it does feel like a breath of fresh air. Apparently they took six years between License to Kill and Goldeneye, and it looks like it is worth it. As the first movie that deals with the new world order after the fall of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, the producers wanted to make Bond feel more modern, and they certainly accomplish it. Pierce Brosnan does the part of a very balanced Bond, a good middle ground between all of his predecesors, even if he doesn't really reach any of their high points. The plot is quite interesting, even if it suffers from a big case of the hacking and computer fever of the 90s (that Boris character is quite annoying). The villain is also quite entertaining, in an "evil Bond" sort of way, and their rivalry throughout the movie leads to great scenes. Travellian's ultimate plan, however, is... odd. I don't know how to describe it, but... if he steals a ton of money, and then he causes a massive, worldwide panic, wouldn't that kind of money be worthless? To be fair, he wants revenge first and foremost, so the plan not making much sense is forgiveable, he just wants to see everything burn. But really, how did Travellian survive a bullet to the head at the beginning? The main henchwoman is also quite threatening, even if it's just because of how insane she is. The writting in general is also excellent, the movie flows very well, going from great scene to great scene. The discovery of who Janus is is also quite clever, located in that junkyard, where the ghosts of the past lay.

Overall, a great way to restart the series. A solid 8/10.



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Forgot to add my current rankings now I've hit 20 films

  1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Lazenby)
  2. From Russia With Love (Connery)
  3. The Spy Who Loved Me (Moore)
  4. Goldfinger (Connery)
  5. Goldeneye (Brosnan)
  6. Licence To Kill (Dalton)
  7. Thunderball (Connery)
  8. For Your Eyes Only (Moore)
  9. The Living Day Lights (Dalton)
  10. Tomorrow Never Dies (Brosnan)
  11. Dr. No (Connery)
  12. You Only Live Twice (Connery)
  13. Live And Let Die (Moore)
  14. Licence To Kill (Moore)
  15. Moonraker (Moore)
  16. The World Is Not Enough (Brosnan)
  17. The Man With The Golden Gun (Moore)
  18. Diamonds Are For Ever (Connery)
  19. Octopussy (Moore)
  20. Die Another Day (Brosnan)


As we enter the Craig era, some statistics:

Highest rated Bond movies:

1) From Russia With Love (8.7)
2) On Her Majesty's Secret Service (8.4)
3) The Spy Who Loved Me (7.8)
4) GoldenEye (7.7)
5) Goldfinger (7.2)

Lowest rated Bond movies:

1) Die Another Day (2.5)
t-2) Octopussy (4.4)
t-2) Diamonds Are Forever (4.4)
t-4) The World is Not Enough( 5.0)
t-4)The Man With the Golden Gun (5.0)

Scores updated to this point!



noir_solitude said:

Forgot to add my current rankings now I've hit 20 films

  1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Lazenby)
  2. From Russia With Love (Connery)
  3. The Spy Who Loved Me (Moore)
  4. Goldfinger (Connery)
  5. Goldeneye (Brosnan)
  6. Licence To Kill (Dalton)
  7. Thunderball (Connery)
  8. For Your Eyes Only (Moore)
  9. The Living Day Lights (Dalton)
  10. Tomorrow Never Dies (Brosnan)
  11. Dr. No (Connery)
  12. You Only Live Twice (Connery)
  13. Live And Let Die (Moore)
  14. Licence To Kill (Moore)
  15. Moonraker (Moore)
  16. The World Is Not Enough (Brosnan)
  17. The Man With The Golden Gun (Moore)
  18. Diamonds Are For Ever (Connery)
  19. Octopussy (Moore)
  20. Die Another Day (Brosnan)

I think 14 was intended to be A View to a Kill.



Sigh. Die Another Day, what were they thinking? Coming on the fortieth anniversary of the film franchise and the fiftieth anniversary of the James Bond character, DAD was supposed to be a celebration of what came before and a catapult into an even brighter future. Instead we got a hot mess of a film that shows the producers have no idea about what works with this series and the franchise quickly deciding to abandon all that came before in the next installment. Congratulations on a job . . . done?

At the very least you could say DAD is entertaining on a train-wreck rubber necking level where you just cannot look away. That at least gives it a step up from its predecessor, The World is Not Enough. It’s hard to find anything redeeming especially since anything that does make you smile is quickly buried under a bunch of bad jokes and horrible CGI. Remember in the 80s when we had all that great physical stunt work? Well, screw that! We can just put Pierce Brosnan in front of a green screen with the best VFX money can buy . . . for a Canadian television series.

Just stop. Stop this nonsense. Why is Bond surfing into North Korea? How would Bond know who was working with the general’s son if that person is a mole in MI6? If he broke and was the one leaking such great classified material, why would NK trade him for some random terrorist? How can he stop his own heart? How do you destroy someone’s bone marrow to rewrite their DNA? Wouldn’t that kill them? Why is there a “Your mama” in a Bond film? Does Halle Berry even know what film she’s in? What is Graves even wearing in the finale? Ahhhh!

Ok, I will admit to having a bit more fun with this review because it’s just entirely impossible to take this film seriously. What should be a celebration of a franchise is more a reminder of better days gone by and merely the superficial sheen of a Bond film without anything resembling the substance that made the superior films truly great. Should we do a retread of On Her Majesty’s Secret Service or From Russia with Love? Pfft. Why pick those when we can re-do (checks notes for worst Bond film) Diamonds are Forever?

The beginning has some actual promise. Taking a larger than life character like Bond and bringing him down by having him captured and tortured is a bold choice. It reminded me of Superman II when Clark Kent is temporarily without his powers and involved in a brutal fight. It was hard to watch to see someone so untouchable brought so low and it makes his return to superhero status so much more powerful. Here, they do NOTHING with it. The uncomfortable scenes of torture are used as music video material for the truly horrible theme song. And once Bond gets a shave and a haircut? He’s perfectly fine. No lasting effects to fourteen months of torture. The transition of Bond from a human character capable of extraordinary feats to an unrealistic action hero who never suffers consequences is complete.

As others have said, the film is strongest in the middle when Bond returns to London. The sword fight at Blades has always been a favorite sequence of mine. It does get a little over the top and there is some digital trickery is speeding up the movements but it’s a well choreographed sequence without seeming too manufactured. And it’s nice to have a good number of medium shots with Brosnan clearly doing the swordplay instead of an obvious stunt double. The Easter eggs in Q’s workshop are also a delight as is John Cleese who (when not being forced to be the butt of the jokes) shows he can be just as good a foil to 007 as the dearly departed Desmond Llewelyn. It’s a shame Cleese was not given more time to develop his version of Q before the reboot but at least he goes out on a high note.

I’m going to give Die Another Day 3/10. I was thinking a 4 for awhile but it’s clearly a whole level under the second worst I had to push it down more. It’s disappointing that this is Brosnan’s swan song as he deserved so much better. Some of the location work is gorgeous such as Spain substituting for Cuba. The less said about Samantha Bond’s Moneypenny’s exit from the series, the better. She was so strong in her debut in GoldenEye and is reduced to banging a virtual reality Bond. Luckily Dame Judi Dench will stick around for the Craig films as she continues to be a highlight of the modern era even if she’s written a little inconsistently here and there. The true tragedy of DAD however is that it was so bad that the next film was decided to be a reboot thereby ejecting so much from the franchise that was great and for that, this film certainly should carry great disdain.

Current Rankings:
1) On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
2) From Russia with Love
3) Goldfinger
4) For Your Eyes Only
5) The Living Daylights
6) The Spy Who Loved Me
7) GoldenEye
8) Thunderball
9) Dr. No
10) Licence to Kill
11) Octopussy
12) Live and Let Die
13) Tomorrow Never Dies
14) You Only Live Twice
15) The World is Not Enough
16) The Man with the Golden Gun
17) A View to a Kill
18) Moonraker
19) Diamonds are Forever
20) Die Another Day



Saw the headline, came here to say Casino Royal is by far the best Bond movie, that is all. Proceed.