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Chrizum said:
fatslob-:O said:

Because Sony is doing this to brainwash their customers into following a progressive political movement ... 

I'm not just rattled by Sony going green but waging an ideological war is fucking stupidity on their part and they should be ashamed of this because an entity of their size wields so much influence that they'll get people to follow them for the wrong reasons ... 

Ugh this argument again... So if "going green" was something conservatives promote instead of progressives, it'd all be good? The political affiliation of someone is more important than the actual argument that's being presented? "Liberals bad! Conservatives good!"

My God, why can't you people see that protecting our planet should have nothing to do with politics? This "us vs them" mentality is fucking up everything. Just because a "liberal" is saying something, a "conservative" is automatically against it and vice versa, instead of judging an argument by its own merit. Polarization like this is why the US has become such a cesspool. It's literally tearing apart the country. It's so fucking stupid.

People are so narrow minded and let themselves be divided making them unable to see what's really important. That is the real danger and you are falling for it. Truly not meant to be condescending, I just really feel sorry for you. Sorry for the rant but this really gets to me.

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Chrizum said:
fatslob-:O said:

Because Sony is doing this to brainwash their customers into following a progressive political movement ... 

I'm not just rattled by Sony going green but waging an ideological war is fucking stupidity on their part and they should be ashamed of this because an entity of their size wields so much influence that they'll get people to follow them for the wrong reasons ... 

Ugh this argument again... So if "going green" was something conservatives promote instead of progressives, it'd all be good? The political affiliation of someone is more important than the actual argument that's being presented? "Liberals bad! Conservatives good!"

My God, why can't you people see that protecting our planet should have nothing to do with politics? This "us vs them" mentality is fucking up everything. Just because a "liberal" is saying something, a "conservative" is automatically against it and vice versa, instead of judging an argument by its own merit. Polarization like this is why the US has become such a cesspool. It's literally tearing apart the country. It's so fucking stupid.

People are so narrow minded and let themselves be divided making them unable to see what's really important. That is the real danger and you are falling for it. Truly not meant to be condescending, I just really feel sorry for you. Sorry for the rant but this really gets to me.

You would be surprised by how many good stuff were fucked up by liberals in Brazil on their quest for "equality" by "dividing people in groups".



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DonFerrari said:
Chrizum said:

Ugh this argument again... So if "going green" was something conservatives promote instead of progressives, it'd all be good? The political affiliation of someone is more important than the actual argument that's being presented? "Liberals bad! Conservatives good!"

My God, why can't you people see that protecting our planet should have nothing to do with politics? This "us vs them" mentality is fucking up everything. Just because a "liberal" is saying something, a "conservative" is automatically against it and vice versa, instead of judging an argument by its own merit. Polarization like this is why the US has become such a cesspool. It's literally tearing apart the country. It's so fucking stupid.

People are so narrow minded and let themselves be divided making them unable to see what's really important. That is the real danger and you are falling for it. Truly not meant to be condescending, I just really feel sorry for you. Sorry for the rant but this really gets to me.

You would be surprised by how many good stuff were fucked up by liberals in Brazil on their quest for "equality" by "dividing people in groups".

I think you're missing my point. Which is that the facts and actions matter, not from which party those facts and actions may or may not arise.

Liberals, conservatives, progressives, blacks, whites. Anyone can do right or wrong. Obviously bad things can be done under the umbrella of "doing right". Murdering millions of people may be good for the environment, but that obviously doesn't make it right. It shouldn't matter if a liberal or a conservative goes on a killing spree. People are so tied to their political affiliations that they can only condemn those from another group, and turn a blind eye when it's someone of their own. Trump is basically violating fundamental democratic laws for political gain and republicans still defend him, even demanding whistleblowers heads.

Actions matter, not if those actions come from the ingroup or outgroup. I understand everyone has their own political preference but that shouldn't stop you from seeing what's important. Taking care of our planet is important.



A lot of the catch phrases are poorly worded. Going green, or eco friendly, are really terrible explanations. While they say ocean levels are rising mostly due to CO2 emissions, what they don't say for the most part, is that the planet is becoming greener and greener because plants consume CO2. The more CO2, the greener the Earth gets, to a certain extent, and it has literally been getting greener as CO2 has increased.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

The problem is water levels rising and the planet becoming human unfriendly, whether humans are causing it partially, entirely, or if at all. Part of the problem is we aren't certain of the exact cause or causes and how much each contributes exactly, because it's really complex, and the other problem is messaging, especially when it comes to politicians, because who really believes them?

Regardless, using less natural resources to achieve the same goal isn't really a problem, aside from the jobs that may be lost because of it.



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Chrizum said:

Ugh this argument again... So if "going green" was something conservatives promote instead of progressives, it'd all be good? The political affiliation of someone is more important than the actual argument that's being presented? "Liberals bad! Conservatives good!"

Who said anything about conservatives ? Why the hell do you assume that I always have to diametrically opposed to an ideology ? 

Chrizum said:

My God, why can't you people see that protecting our planet should have nothing to do with politics? This "us vs them" mentality is fucking up everything. Just because a "liberal" is saying something, a "conservative" is automatically against it and vice versa, instead of judging an argument by its own merit. Polarization like this is why the US has become such a cesspool. It's literally tearing apart the country. It's so fucking stupid.

But it does because that's the streak Sony has been putting on so far so why the hell should I believe or anyone else believe otherwise ? 

Chrizum said:

People are so narrow minded and let themselves be divided making them unable to see what's really important. That is the real danger and you are falling for it. Truly not meant to be condescending, I just really feel sorry for you. Sorry for the rant but this really gets to me.

Don't feel sorry for me ... 

Feel sorry for the saps out there who are blindly suckering up to Sony's political propaganda without even questioning their motive. It's fucking arrogance to believe that they have the right answers when they're obviously just taking a stance to stoke their own ego ... 

If it was a one off thing then maybe I wouldn't make a big deal out of it but given that a clear political pattern has emerged from them, I am getting tired of Sony's retarded progressivism bullcrap so no more am I going to give Sony the benefit of doubt anymore when it comes to political matters ... 

We didn't ask for Sony to be politicized and they were the ones who started it first so what they're doing now doesn't come off as being "pragmatic/noble/right" but it comes off as being fucking 'toxic' given the recent history as of late ... 

If Sony ever fires their dipshit ass top executives then maybe I'll start reconsidering the political stances that shouldn't be taking on but otherwise Sony and the political statements that they keep making can go fuck themselves ... 

Sony is NOT approaching this to be purely sincere since there doing it to score some more political points of which some of their customer base finds to be very annoying ... 

Also, don't even assume that I am taking any sides in this. I am as close as anyone can come to be apolitical/centrist ... 



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While a move like this from a multi-billion dollar corporation is generally done foremost to garner positive press, as long as the results are good, I don't think it ultimately matters whether the intent is 100% altruistic. Doing good things doesn't become automatically bad just because someone profits from it.

Besides which, I don't think it can be completely ruled out as a hollow and cynical move either; at the end of the day, executives are people too, and many of them have families and would presumably like their children and grandchildren to have a healthy planet to live on.



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curl-6 said:

Besides which, I don't think it can be completely ruled out as a hollow and cynical move either; at the end of the day, executives are people too, and many of them have families and would presumably like their children and grandchildren to have a healthy planet to live on.

I don't care, what they're doing isn't fucking cool at all and it comes off as being more annoying since they're trying to shove politics down everyone's throats ... 

How would you like it if Nintendo got into the pattern of being politically more upfront with you in their works such as openly promoting Christian superiority, anti-LGBTQI, or anti-abortion movements ? 

Do you somehow think that that actively promoting politics in everything that these corporations do isn't a detraction at all ?



fatslob-:O said:
curl-6 said:

Besides which, I don't think it can be completely ruled out as a hollow and cynical move either; at the end of the day, executives are people too, and many of them have families and would presumably like their children and grandchildren to have a healthy planet to live on.

I don't care, what they're doing isn't fucking cool at all and it comes off as being more annoying since they're trying to shove politics down everyone's throats ... 

How would you like it if Nintendo got into the pattern of being politically more upfront with you in their works such as openly promoting Christian superiority, anti-LGBTQI, or anti-abortion movements ? 

Do you somehow think that that actively promoting politics in everything that these corporations do isn't a detraction at all ?

Again, I don't get how the notion of leaving a healthy planet for future generations is "political". Seems just plain common sense to me.



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curl-6 said:

Again, I don't get how the notion of leaving a healthy planet for future generations is "political". Seems just plain common sense to me.

Considering that been 'green' has a strongly linked political movement, it is political since it's not a widespread consensus ... 

What you deem personally as common sense =/= Consensus ... 

I'm not about to give Sony a free pass for all of their recent actions so far ... 

You still didn't answer my question. How would you like it if your favourite corporation or business got all politically controversial as you saw it on their customers but others didn't see it your way ? Would you be alright if they made a habit out of this ? Do you find that company's getting political all the time as not being somehow toxic to you as the consumer ? 



Chrizum said:
DonFerrari said:

You would be surprised by how many good stuff were fucked up by liberals in Brazil on their quest for "equality" by "dividing people in groups".

I think you're missing my point. Which is that the facts and actions matter, not from which party those facts and actions may or may not arise.

Liberals, conservatives, progressives, blacks, whites. Anyone can do right or wrong. Obviously bad things can be done under the umbrella of "doing right". Murdering millions of people may be good for the environment, but that obviously doesn't make it right. It shouldn't matter if a liberal or a conservative goes on a killing spree. People are so tied to their political affiliations that they can only condemn those from another group, and turn a blind eye when it's someone of their own. Trump is basically violating fundamental democratic laws for political gain and republicans still defend him, even demanding whistleblowers heads.

Actions matter, not if those actions come from the ingroup or outgroup. I understand everyone has their own political preference but that shouldn't stop you from seeing what's important. Taking care of our planet is important.

And you missed the entire point I was replying to you when you complained about polarization, dividing in groups or looking who is doing instead of what is being done.

First, if you don't look the whole process from every single point and ramification you can't assure if in the end the measure will be greener or not. Just like making biodegradable plastic that seems a very good action in Brazil became an issue because those were throw in rivers, they were decomposed by bacteria which reduced the oxygen on the water and ended up killing more fishes than simply having a common plastic bag that would be floating there. There are plenty more examples (like electric cars which due to the big and heavy batteries, being charged by thermal usines, on its lifecycle had a bigger carbon footprint than regular petrol cars).

Second, you failed to understand that in several places the division is being made exactly by progressives/liberals. Who want to put people in group and make they fight among them because of perceived inequalities and a wish of equality? That is liberals doing. So yes I don't mind giving credits for good propositions they make, but you always have to look at motivation. Like in here the defense of environment by them is mostly a way to bash agroindustrial.

EricHiggin said:
A lot of the catch phrases are poorly worded. Going green, or eco friendly, are really terrible explanations. While they say ocean levels are rising mostly due to CO2 emissions, what they don't say for the most part, is that the planet is becoming greener and greener because plants consume CO2. The more CO2, the greener the Earth gets, to a certain extent, and it has literally been getting greener as CO2 has increased.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

The problem is water levels rising and the planet becoming human unfriendly, whether humans are causing it partially, entirely, or if at all. Part of the problem is we aren't certain of the exact cause or causes and how much each contributes exactly, because it's really complex, and the other problem is messaging, especially when it comes to politicians, because who really believes them?

Regardless, using less natural resources to achieve the same goal isn't really a problem, aside from the jobs that may be lost because of it.

Yep, there are many cases of hypocritical people living in luxury complaining about people hunting animals or doing a polluting work without thinking that taking that out most probably those people would die of famine since they are already close to it.

curl-6 said:
fatslob-:O said:

I don't care, what they're doing isn't fucking cool at all and it comes off as being more annoying since they're trying to shove politics down everyone's throats ... 

How would you like it if Nintendo got into the pattern of being politically more upfront with you in their works such as openly promoting Christian superiority, anti-LGBTQI, or anti-abortion movements ? 

Do you somehow think that that actively promoting politics in everything that these corporations do isn't a detraction at all ?

Again, I don't get how the notion of leaving a healthy planet for future generations is "political". Seems just plain common sense to me.

When you worry about the environment and do actions to help preserve it fully (not small actions) that is really for the benefit of future generations. When you speak about it (doing it or not) it is self promotion.



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