Again, you are all wasting your time. NPD, Famitsu, VGchartz, ect will ALL count the Switch Lite as a Switch and no amount of your hot air will change that. Also Switch sales will be compared to Xbox/PS4/PS5/Xbox next because it has ALL of Nintendo's games and they are all $60 a pop. An analyst predicted that the switch may sell 200 million units. If it does, THAT NUMBER will be compared to the PS4, like it or not. Dont like it. Too bad. Ask Sony to make a portable PS4.

Good question... and unlike the luxury afforded to me, I will answer you directly as opposed to answering you with another question. As far as aI am concerned, the PSVTV was not a handheld. It was a home console. Why? because you could NEVER use it as a handheld. Simple as that.

Granted, things were never that cut and dry for the switch (until now) because unlike the PS vita, the Switch was not "just a handheld" It was a hybrid. A device that could do both and be used as both. But the Switch lite is not the same device... it cannot be used as both. So why should we still treat it as if it could? simply because it plays the same games? The damn name of the platform was based on something that the Lite can't o for crying out loud!!!

My issue with allthis is that I foresaw this very thing happening, which is why back then I insisted (and got stick for it) that the Switch should never have been grouped together with home consoles simply because it "can" be used as a home console. Using the switch as a home console is optional whereas a traditional home console simply doesn't have the choice, that the only way it can work. And now that the switch lite exists... we are now flat out comparing sales of a handheld to a home console. Something that we can only do if we somehow pretend that the switch lite s the exact same device as the OG Switch... which it most definitely isn't.

When the Lite was first announced, someone here asked if it would be officially counted together with the original, and the answer was "yes, because they share the same library." I don't remember if it was CGI or Trunks who answered.

Also, someone at Twitter asked the same to Mat Piscatella and his answer was the exact same one. I'm still trying to understand this thought process.

Skimmed through it, alot of new posts while I was at work so I must have missed those claims.

But yes it's clear that Switch is a hybrid and Lite is a handheld of it but still is still part of the same hardware family.

As for comparing it to PS4/XBO, I think you are getting too hung up on home, handheld & hybrid when we should just be looking at them as dedicated gaming devices.

Fair enough...I am going to (again) leave this alone.

I'll say this though we all celebrate gaming devices. And technically that's what these things all are. However, like most other industries, there are categories within the industry that compete separately within he same industry. A civic, Ford ranger raptor, Ferrari...etc are all automobiles. But we don't see their sales being compared. Any smartphone,PC, laptop, Console, Handheld...etc, are all gaming devices. Yet we don't (or rather) didn't se their sales being compared. All this time before the switch even here on VGC, there was a clear distinction between platforms and form-factors. 3DS vs PSP, Wii vs PS3 vs 360...etc. Now all of a sudden, those distinctions are archaic or cumbersome.

Just doesn't make sense to me. Especially when I know (and if you consider) that these different things aren't all in direct competition with each other. I say let the things that are directly competing together be grouped together and fight it out.

To me, this makes as little sense as comparing a Ferrari to a Civic. They are both automobiles, they both get you from point A to B, they are both in the same industry... but they are both fundamentally different propositions. This is actually more like comparing a Ferrari to a bicycle. One needs gas, the other doesn't. They are however both means of transportation.

I'll leave it at that.

Another thought. Hopefully more constructive and productive, maybe.

If Switch sales are going to be combined, period, end of discussion, would it at least be possible to move Switch to the center of the front page hardware chart? That way it would be somewhat visible that consoles are on the left, handhelds are on the right, and Switch is in between, since it's being considered a hardware combo basically.

Or just get rid of handhelds on that chart. Vita has been discontinued for awhile now and 3DS is pretty much done selling at this point as well.

And how does that mean people are calling it a home console?

Just three posts above Curl said this: "I really don't see the issue; moving forwards there won't be any more major dedicated handheld systems once 3DS and Vita are completely gone, it'll just be Switch vs Playstation vs Xbox, one primary platform for each of the big three. Separating console vs handhelds seems like an archaic and outdated system in this new environment."

And that is the issue, the Switch Lite IS a dedicated handheld system.

The reason why its becoming archaic is because we are at a point where each of the console manufacturers only have one product line.

And if only direct competitors should be compared than your example of Wii vs PS3 vs 360 doesnt really work since Wii wasnt really in direct competition with the other two.

Or just get rid of handhelds on that chart. Vita has been discontinued for awhile now and 3DS is pretty much done selling at this point as well.