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MasonADC said:
Intrinsic said:

Lol... and that my friend is a cop out. Ok, the vey name switch was becaue it could be used as a "home console" and a "handheld". Hence why the whole ybrid thing came about. Can you use the Switch lite as a home console? So what is it "switching" to?

Again,for the umpteenth time (and I am guessing this keeps coming up cause its the best way to dismiss what I am saying). I have never said, that the switch lite be counted differently. I am saying that it (the Nintendo Switch as a platform) being counted along with home consoles was and is a mistake to begin with. And I have been saying that since 2017. The reason its coming up again is that Nintendo just validated my point. They made a switch lite.

Right now? the switch as a platform has more in common with a handheld than a home console, and you don't have to take my word for it... in two years you will find that the switch lite is the better selling iteration of the Nintendo switch with the larger install base. You can chalk this off as yet another prediction I am making, the same way I said (back in 2017)that in under 3 years Nintendo will make a dedicated handheld version of the switch the second they try and make a cheaper version.

Are we just going to continue pretending that the Nintendo Switch lite is not a handheld in every traditional sense of the word?

Lol the switch lite won’t overtake the regular switch in total sales or weekly sales. I would even say that this time next year the og switch will still garner most of the sales 

You are soon wrong its hard to fathom.

You really believe that going forward the witch lite will not be the better selling SKU? Because people really want to spend $100 more to buy the other version of the switch? 



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Intrinsic said:
MasonADC said:

Lol the switch lite won’t overtake the regular switch in total sales or weekly sales. I would even say that this time next year the og switch will still garner most of the sales 

You are soon wrong its hard to fathom.

You really believe that going forward the witch lite will not be the better selling SKU? Because people really want to spend $100 more to buy the other version of the switch? 

...yes? It’s not like it is just the same switch 100 dollars cheaper. The novelty of switch is the hybrid feature. I am not wrong in the slightest, everywhere else on the internet from what I have seen no one thinks the lite is gonna be the main seller 



Deeds said:
MasonADC said:

It’s a huge factor, but in reality, won’t make it a better seller than the normal switch which is overall a better system, and will have a price cut eventually as well. Also has a 37 million lead rn

You are forgetting one very important thing. The price of Switch games are $60. Getting a Switch and a game at Christmas just became a whole lot cheaper thanks to the Lite. Also The Switch will be around for a while. I think the Lite will eventually catch up.

You do know the normal switch isn’t gonna stop selling right?



Deeds said:

This whole argument about the Switch lite being counted differently is stupid. Its not a new unique device. Its a PORTABLE ONLY SWITCH. Its still a Switch. Also everyone (NPD, Famitsu, Media Create) will combine them because they dont have weird agenda's, they just report data.

200 million, see? that's the bullshit lmao



Intrinsic said:
MasonADC said:

Lol the switch lite won’t overtake the regular switch in total sales or weekly sales. I would even say that this time next year the og switch will still garner most of the sales 

You are soon wrong its hard to fathom.

You really believe that going forward the witch lite will not be the better selling SKU? Because people really want to spend $100 more to buy the other version of the switch? 

Did 2DS outsell the other skus?



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Intrinsic said:
Deeds said:

It really simple. The Switch Lite is a Switch.

Lol... and that my friend is a cop out. Ok, the vey name switch was becaue it could be used as a "home console" and a "handheld". Hence why the whole ybrid thing came about. Can you use the Switch lite as a home console? So what is it "switching" to?

Deeds said:

This whole argument about the Switch lite being counted differently is stupid. Its not a new unique device. Its a PORTABLE ONLY SWITCH. Its still a Switch. Also everyone (NPD, Famitsu, Media Create) will combine them because they dont have weird agenda's, they just report data.

Again,for the umpteenth time (and I am guessing this keeps coming up cause its the best way to dismiss what I am saying). I have never said, that the switch lite be counted differently. I am saying that it (the Nintendo Switch as a platform) being counted along with home consoles was and is a mistake to begin with. And I have been saying that since 2017. The reason its coming up again is that Nintendo just validated my point. They made a switch lite.

Right now? the switch as a platform has more in common with a handheld than a home console, and you don't have to take my word for it... in two years you will find that the switch lite is the better selling iteration of the Nintendo switch with the larger install base. You can chalk this off as yet another prediction I am making, the same way I said (back in 2017)that in under 3 years Nintendo will make a dedicated handheld version of the switch the second they try and make a cheaper version.

Are we just going to continue pretending that the Nintendo Switch lite is not a handheld in every traditional sense of the word?

It doesn't have a unique lineup of exclusive games, so how can it be counted differently?



Deeds said:
MasonADC said:

Lol the switch lite won’t overtake the regular switch in total sales or weekly sales. I would even say that this time next year the og switch will still garner most of the sales 

Wait. Is a lower price now a non factor? Since when? I'd bet money the Switch Lite will eventually outsell the Switch.

Yeah but it has no unique games so the vast majority of us won't double dip. If it had it's own lineup then yes that lower price would make it sell like crazy.



Intrinsic said:
MasonADC said:

Lol the switch lite won’t overtake the regular switch in total sales or weekly sales. I would even say that this time next year the og switch will still garner most of the sales 

You are soon wrong its hard to fathom.

You really believe that going forward the witch lite will not be the better selling SKU? Because people really want to spend $100 more to buy the other version of the switch? 

The other version that's bigger, now has a better battery, and can go on the tv? I think LITE will never sell as much as regular switch.



Intrinsic said:
MasonADC said:

Lol the switch lite won’t overtake the regular switch in total sales or weekly sales. I would even say that this time next year the og switch will still garner most of the sales 

You are soon wrong its hard to fathom.

You really believe that going forward the witch lite will not be the better selling SKU? Because people really want to spend $100 more to buy the other version of the switch? 

I bought another one today just for you!

Well tbh I also wanted a updated battery life model from the moment I heard about it. Today was just the day.

As for your billion dollar question you think people are afraid to answer, yup the switch lite is a handheld only version of the switch, again does that change the og form factor? Nope, not at all, a study a while ago from Nintendo showed that an equal number of people used the switch exclusively as a home system as the number who exclusively used it as a handheld, while the rest in the middle made up around 70 who used the machine as both are various times.

If that first was around 15% as I recall that means around 4.5m switch units have never been played outside of the dock as a handheld, to those people your tale of the switch being a handheld is completely baffling as that is an optional form factor that literally millions of people do not use.



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Dulfite said:
Intrinsic said:

You are soon wrong its hard to fathom.

You really believe that going forward the witch lite will not be the better selling SKU? Because people really want to spend $100 more to buy the other version of the switch? 

The other version that's bigger, now has a better battery, and can go on the tv? I think LITE will never sell as much as regular switch.

Maths suggests that by the end of system life the lite cannot have more sales, even if the base model didn't sell another unit right now then the switch lite would need to sell 37m units to tie that race up. Now... Let's say instead that the switch lite happened to be twice as popular as the base model and there was never a pro model update that would mean that during the next 40m lites sold another 20m base switch's would sell, so you would need another 10m lite to counter that, during which 5m more base would sell and another 2.5m lite to 1.25m base etc you would be looking at the switch needing to sell around 150m systems for the lite to pass the base model from today if the lite sold twice as well as the base did, and for that to happen there could never be a pro revision of the base factor switch.

Almost impossible from a sales point of view from the head start the base model has, would be like someone suggesting that the ps4 pro could outsell the base system after the base had sold 60m+



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