I know it's not sold , but it i can bet my ear that it will be sold 100M for 6 month a head . So...Bring it in the Champagne
I know it's not sold , but it i can bet my ear that it will be sold 100M for 6 month a head . So...Bring it in the Champagne
Barkley said:
PS1 - $49 (May 2002) It's crazy to think that the PS3's RRP was only dropped to a minimum of $269 and recieved no price cut after the PS4. It's no wonder it's legs were so short. So PS4's legs post-ps5 all depend on if it gets a price cut, and how far down they can go. A $49 console... I had no idea PS1 went that low. xD |
Just to add onto this with adjusted for inflation prices:
PS1 - $69
PS2 - $118
PS3 - $300
So the PS3 at it's cheapest RRP is the same as the current RRP of the PS4. Mental. Guess they really never managed to get production costs down that far and that really shows why the PS3 legs were so bad.
We'll never see a console as cheap as the ps2 again though, even adjusted for inflation. The controllers are far more expensive to produce then they were, the now necessary inclusion of storage also drives up the minimum possible price.
Took a little more than it should for the HW this semester.
But it done great on SW, and digital increased even more. They have been doing a lot of flash sales though.
A little disappointed on the PS+ numbers though, the attach ratio dropped from near 50% to about 33%. Plus it seems like the first time they lowered a forecast, they may have done one before in PS4 time but I don't remember. At least they met all the projections.
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Barkley said:
Just to add onto this with adjusted for inflation prices: PS1 - $69 So the PS3 at it's cheapest RRP is the same as the current RRP of the PS4. Mental. Guess they really never managed to get production costs down that far and that really shows why the PS3 legs were so bad. We'll never see a console as cheap as the ps2 again though, even adjusted for inflation. The controllers are far more expensive to produce then they were, the now necessary inclusion of storage also drives up the minimum possible price. |
Sony can sell the current PS4 slim at 199$ without loss imo, and probably tiny bit of profit.
If they actually do a super slim (7nm shrink), they *might* be able to sell at 149$ without a loss.
The possibility of a super slim (with a good price) would def. help, it increase those legs after the PS5.
Not quite as cheap as the PS2 was (after inflation) but not that far from it (118$ vs 149$).
Plus with this many units sold,.... does anyone expect 3rd party to just abandon it, the day PS5 launches?
There will be multiplats, that have both PS4 + PS5 versions at launch, for years to come, due to how popular the PS4 is.
This is what I think will happen:
06½ Years - FY19: April 1st 2019 - March 31st 2020 = 15.00M (111.8M)
07½ Years - FY20: April 1st 2020 - March 31st 2021 = 12.50M (124.3M) - $249
08½ Years - FY21: April 1st 2021 - March 31st 2022 = 10.00M (134.3M)
09½ Years - FY22: April 1st 2022 - March 31st 2023 = 07.50M (141.8M) - $199
10½ Years - FY23: April 1st 2023 - March 31st 2024 = 05.00M (146.8M)
11½ Years - FY24: April 1st 2024 - March 31st 2025 = 02.50M (149.3M) - Discontinue
If PS5 launches at $499, then these numbers might be higher - and PS4 might catch PS2. Or so I hope.
JRPGfan said: Sony can sell the current PS4 slim at 199$ without loss imo, and probably tiny bit of profit. Plus with this many units sold,.... does anyone expect 3rd party to just abandon it, the day PS5 launches? |
3rd parties didn't really abandon the PS3 either. Destiny, Watch Dogs, Shadow of Mordor, AC Rogue, FF XIII Lightning Returns, South Park Stick of Truth, Dark Souls 2, Metal Gear Solid 5, Alien Isolation, Borderlands Presequel, CoD Advanced Warfare/Blackops 3, Far Cry 4, Resident Evil Revelations 2. Though you're right that PS4 support should be better.
$149 might be possible, though I don't expect we'll see it happen. If it did drop to $149 though I could see it actually beating the PS2. We're not even down to $249 yet though.
JRPGfan said:
Honestly if they stick with 299$ forever.... something like that could happend. |
That would be around double what the PS3 sold post PS4 launch, plus the PS5's ability to play the PS4's library means you now have the option of gaining access to both libraries for whatever the difference in price between them happens to be and that surely has to take away sales. Anyway my theory is there will a cheap PS4 but it will be rebranded the PS3 pro so Sony can say they that all their home consoles reached 100M.
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As the OP is pretty bare, more details that haven't been mentioned:
Games and Network Services, Operating Profit of $680 Million, down from $769 Million last year.
Operating Profit forecast for full FY remains unchanged, $2.58 Billion compared to $2.86 Billion last year.
- Decrease in first party software sales compared to quarter last year (no god of war lol)
- Lower than expected third party software sales
- Negative impact of exchange rates
- Increase in PS4 Hardware sales and profit margin
- Increase in network services sales (PS+, etc)
- Lower than expected PS4 Hardware Sales
The reason they give for the Operating Profit forecast not being reduced despite lower than expected third party software and ps4 hardware sales is that cost reductions (presumably for PS4 hardware) are better than expected and the sales of PS+ and other network services are higher than expected.
PlayStation is still rolling in the cash despite development of the PS5 and lack of major blockbusters this year lowering the profits.
LordLichtenstein said: I .. actually .. believe .. PS4 has a chance of reaching PS2. If Sony's estimates hold up, PS4 will have shipped 112M LTD by March 2020, leaving it only 43M short of the PS2. |
My prediction from 2016 has PS4 lifetime at 120. It may end up surpass that but it'll definitely not reach PS2's 155 million as the $99 PS2 ($130 with inflation) sold like hotcakes next to the $599 PS3.
I can't see PS4's price coming down to $130 and I can't see PS5 going for more than $499.
Barkley said:
3rd parties didn't really abandon the PS3 either. Destiny, Watch Dogs, Shadow of Mordor, AC Rogue, FF XIII Lightning Returns, South Park Stick of Truth, Dark Souls 2, Metal Gear Solid 5, Alien Isolation, Borderlands Presequel, CoD Advanced Warfare/Blackops 3, Far Cry 4, Resident Evil Revelations 2. Though you're right that PS4 support should be better. $149 might be possible, though I don't expect we'll see it happen. If it did drop to $149 though I could see it actually beating the PS2. We're not even down to $249 yet though. |
There is a vast differnce now though.
Both PS4 + PS5, will be x86 (cpu) and same gpu vender.... makeing porting + dual releaseing for two systems MUCH easier than PS3 to PS4.
And due to PS4 being more popular, along with deminishing returns on hardware performance.....
I think support for the PS4, into the PS5 gen, will be vastly better, than what the PS3 got from 3rd party ect.
Yeah I dont "really" believe in 149$ either, the only way that happends is if they do a die shrink to 7nm.
Without another shrink, I dont think it happends, and Sony might not see the value in spending money to shrink it again.
mjk45 said:
That would be around double what the PS3 sold post PS4 launch, plus the PS5's ability to play the PS4's library means you now have the option of gaining access to both libraries for whatever the difference in price between them happens to be and that surely has to take away sales. Anyway my theory is there will a cheap PS4 but it will be rebranded the PS3 pro so Sony can say they that all their home consoles reached 100M. |
People arnt tired of their PS4s yet.... Plus I suspect the PS4 will have better legs (into PS5 gen) than the PS3 did (into the PS4 one).
Mainly due to support from multiplats.
If costs of doing so arnt so high, and theres still a large enough player base there (120-130m+).
Will it's legs be as long as the PS2's was? Probably not.
However I suspect it ll pull off a better showing than the PS3 did.