Conina said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Nope. I could wait for a PS5 Hybrid, anyhow, while GPU isn't a problem, graphics can scale down when undocked, to get the necessary CPU power on a mobile chip at a low enough power consumption Sony will have to wait at least for a mature enough Zen 3 tech, if not even later. |
And until then the PS6 is already rumored/announced and you'll wait for the PS6 Hybrid revision?
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I can't say, but PS5 would be the first to possibly have a hybrid version planned, even to release later, but not an afterthought, so it could be the first PS to be in condition to fully benefit from the concept. Waiting later wouldn't depend on the hybrid version, but on time and money available and the general wish to get again a console to play on besides PC and tablet. Unless I get again into Ninty stuff since DKjr and the first Super Mario Bros times, a non-Nintendo hybrid could increase my appeal for a console. But I could also prefer a PC-based hybrid, I really don't know, there are so many factors. I can only say for sure that a portable or hybrid PS4 would arrive too late compared to its platform, PS5 will be the first with the possibility of having a hybrid version planned in time, this makes its possible hybrid version the first with increased possibilities to attract me.
haxxiy said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Nope. I could wait for a PS5 Hybrid, anyhow, while GPU isn't a problem, graphics can scale down when undocked, to get the necessary CPU power on a mobile chip at a low enough power consumption Sony will have to wait at least for a mature enough Zen 3 tech, if not even later. |
You have it the other way around. The Jaguar CPUs could easily fit into a tablet or even a portable... they were actually designed for it. But the GPU, even if we are talking about playing the same games at a lower resolution (which would demand they are all individually patched) and using AMD's newer architectures and manufacturing processes, this is some 15 - 20 Watts here (being very optimistic here). That's the GPU alone, and twice as much as the power consumption of an average tablet SoC. Not feasible unless you want batteries lasting less than an hour of gameplay, and possibily overheating hardware.
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The Jaguar could easily fit now, some years later. Settling on a custom Zen 2 for PS5 base model, Zen 3 or later will allow the same, hopefully not too late, if the original custom Zen 2 isn't too powerful. But for the GPU things changed on many fronts: current gen consoles, plus slow PC HW market (PC games are thriving because PCs last long and so the install base, already large, is growing anyway, but PC HW market isn't thriving at all) kept minimum specs stable at a very reasonable level for a long time, and now Switch too arrived, so any games able to scale down to undocked NS GPU power, won't have any problem to scale down to a far more powerful undocked hybrid PS5 GPU, while most games that won't be able to scale down to undocked NS, will probably be able to do it to undocked PS5, maybe with some tweaks. A stable minimum reference HW power on both x86 consoles and PC actually changed the game, and even more did it the fact that on the small screen of a portable, time has come when further increases in GPU power give less and less noticeable improvements, compared with current portable GPUs, a next gen portable, or undocked hybrid could need just a little better FX and higher framerate, totally feasible at a nice price and low power consumption if a hybrid will have to wait for portable Zen 3 or later CPU anyway.
Most probably the GPU power difference between docked and undocked will be large enough that either the hybrid will need to switch between two different GPUs or the docked hybrid will have a GPU power quite higher than undocked, but anyway noticeably lower than the home-only version.
Anyhow, we talk about a very wide range of GPU scalability, so a hybrid version must be planned in time if they want it to be viable and not a blood bath.
