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TheMisterManGuy said:

Nintendo has a history of CnD'ing publicly distributed Fan Games. Being protective of their IP, any unofficial game that's using pre-existing assets available for downloading or torrenting will likely be taken down. Yeah it sucks, but my question is, why is it only Nintendo getting singled out? This is actually standard with most companies. It's not just Nintendo, the vast majority of game companies take legal action against unofficial fan games. Microsoft for example, shut down a Halo Multiplayer fan-game based on the classic style. Square Enix has shut down quite a few Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy fan projects. The only notable exception to this, is Sega with Sonic the Hedgehog. But that's only because Sonic Team is so incompetent with the series, that Sega is willing to make an exception for it. So this isn't a Nintendo only problem, it's an industry-wide problem. Video Game Fan works just haven't been recognized as a viable hobby yet, so until some agreements or laws change, companies can and will take legal action. Like I said, it sucks, but it is what it is.

Yeah MS and 343 Industries are so evil.

Quote from 343 to the mod Team:

"[...] BTW, we're not 'shutting down the mod' or going after the Eldewrito crew - we're enacting action to remove the Halo Online code and packages from places it's being hosted."


Also from the Halo Online reddit:
"ElDewrito is still fully playable"

and lastly the ElDewrito Crew posted this on their website:

"On April 24, four days after we released 0.6, the few of the more active members of the ElDewrito team met with certain 343 employees and other members of the Halo Universe, including Frank O’ Conner, the Halo Franchise Development Director.  Our initial meeting, which was not under NDA and therefor did not touch on the topic of MCC at all, was about ElDewrito and a simple request that we pause development.

[...]

After that initial meeting, our small group of 5 met on occasion with 343 to discuss their future plans, gather opinions, and discuss and how they would like us to be involved in MCC on PC’s development. We have been acting as an advisory board prior to the Halo Insider program to help them shape the MCC experience. While we were brought in by 343 for our particular set area of expertise, we unfortunately have not been actively doing any technical work with them for some time now due to our area of expertise (modding) not being needed at this time. However, as Ske7ch/343 bublically mentioned in the Reddit AMA, modding is on the roadmap for a future time, and they have been focusing on bringing Halo:Reach into MCC."

Now 343 is working with these modders together. Disgusting...

Last edited by Barozi - on 04 July 2019

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TheMisterManGuy said:

So this isn't a Nintendo only problem, it's an industry-wide problem. 

Whats the problem? Companies have to be protective of their IPs/trademarks. Otherwise loss of value and recorgnition.

"Fan"games.  If you d be a fan, you d respect their right to protect their property.



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Zoombael said:
TheMisterManGuy said:

So this isn't a Nintendo only problem, it's an industry-wide problem. 

Whats the problem? Companies have to be protective of their IPs/trademarks. Otherwise loss of value and recorgnition.

"Fan"games.  If you d be a fan, you d respect their right to protect their property.

It's certainly within the rights of a company to protect their property but the idea that a well-made fan project will result in a loss of value or recognition is generally untrue and, in most cases, probably the opposite.  We have examples like the Elder Scrolls and Fallout right in front of us, where fan-made content has only increased the value of the IP and big fan projects keep people coming back.  Fallout has some absolutely massive fan projects coming up, like Fallout: Cascadia and Fallout: Miami, which a lot of people are excited about.



TheMisterManGuy said:

The only notable exception to this, is Sega with Sonic the Hedgehog. But that's only because Sonic Team is so incompetent with the series, that Sega is willing to make an exception for it.

Sonic Generations and Sonic Colours were good games!  So were the Sonic Advance games actually.

Yeah Sonic team have put out shitters too, but people always seem to forget the recent good ones.

Ether way back on topic, Sega does what Nintendont.



Sony want to make money by selling art, Nintendo want to make money by selling fun, Microsoft want to make money.

Nintendo created their IP and own it exclusively. They don't owe anybody anything. Nintendo is a business not a charity.



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only777 said:
TheMisterManGuy said:

The only notable exception to this, is Sega with Sonic the Hedgehog. But that's only because Sonic Team is so incompetent with the series, that Sega is willing to make an exception for it.

Sonic Generations and Sonic Colours were good games!  So were the Sonic Advance games actually.

Yeah Sonic team have put out shitters too, but people always seem to forget the recent good ones.

Ether way back on topic, Sega does what Nintendont.

The games you listed are 8-18 years old, not really all that recent.



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zorg1000 said:
only777 said:

Sonic Generations and Sonic Colours were good games!  So were the Sonic Advance games actually.

Yeah Sonic team have put out shitters too, but people always seem to forget the recent good ones.

Ether way back on topic, Sega does what Nintendont.

The games you listed are 8-18 years old, not really all that recent.

Is Generations that old already?  When you've been gaming since the 1985, PS3 seems like only a couple of years ago!



Sony want to make money by selling art, Nintendo want to make money by selling fun, Microsoft want to make money.

Chrkeller said:
Nintendo created their IP and own it exclusively. They don't owe anybody anything. Nintendo is a business not a charity.

By the book horse blinders reply.




It is basically brand suicide to allow others to use your intellectual property. Not just from a perception angle, but from a legal angle.

Legally, if you don’t defend your trademarks from unlicensed usage, you lose them. Nintendo probably has FAR higher licensing standards than Sega and product goals; Nintendo is not going to hand it out to some random fan the way Sega would (assuming this is true) for free. Especially since Nintendo has extensive liscensing deals with their characters to other companies who must adhere to their standards.

I am sorry, but people who are defending unpermitted use of someone else’s trademarks and intellectual property are profoundly ignorant. I don’t mean that as an insult, I mean that as a statement of fact: get out there and educate yourself on trademark law, fair usage, and licensing practices. These laws exist NOT to be oppressive, but so that content creators and their business partners can actually own their intellectual property. It would be dumb if Microsoft or Apple were allowed to go out and make Zelda, Final Fantasy, and Mario games without Nintendo’s authorization: how is it that people can’t see that?



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I would guess Nintendo have an image to protect as well so they don't want clones of pokemon around the place but where you collect pictures of Hentai instead of the pokemon... I mean, we already have Lopunny what more do people want?



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