Funny how Norway has become the point of mesure for everyone, Norway happens to be one of the riches countries in the world, it’s also very small and homogenous, but yeah if they get socialism right anybody can.

i am not even sure if Norway qualifies as a socialist country

It doesn't. And that's the point. Quite a few of it's policies would be decried as socialist in the US, but the country is as far as it could get from being socialist - it just doesn't get screwed over by billionaires who get tax cuts every couple years who want all the wealth for themselves and not share it.

"socialism, properly defined, has always means "public ownership of the means of production." It can be by the state seizing private firms..."

like in venezuela(but you don't consider that to be an example of course) or like with the proposal to end private insurance(which even though i posted it multiple times you just flat out ignored)''

"But you've made it abundantly clear that you define socialism as "whatever the government does""

you made this claim in the last post and I replied with a clarification and an example - bernie calling to end private insurance... but why address anything i've actually said when you can just make up a strawman to pretend i haven't proven you wrong 

I've said numerous times in the past that I do think there is a need for a pooling of resources in a community to some extent because obviously basic necessities like water are much easier to obtain for everyone if they work collectively

"You just plain don't like governments in general"

lol what a bizarre thing to say

"where taxation is theft (which I guess makes the Founding Fathers thieves vis a vis Article One, Section 8 of the Constitution) and that spending those tax dollars on anything is "socialism.""

your whole post is essentially a repeat of this assertion about 5 times, for one I never said that and secondly the only response I ever get from people like you whenever examples are brought up is

i'll ask again can you give me any example of soclalism since you appear to reject every example i've raised or is it just a myth like the unicorn or the fairy?

and what's wrong with socialism anyway? why are you so scared of being associated with it?

@Torillian
That's supply and demand. Only way to really avoid the things happening there is to reduce the population. They just can't handle it.

@Shadow1980
You seem to bring up racism as the real excuse for the EC to be establish. Could be. But even if they where racist they gave the vote to black people. And it still doesn't take away that they did it cuz they felt under represented.

You also got to admit that the US is huge. What applies in one state won't necessarily work on another. As much as you think is outdated its the only thing smaller states got.

Got to admit. Did not read the entire reply. I'm at work so I skimped over it. Maybe later.

@Bofferbrauer
Now you said it. It docent matter what polices get implemented. If the ones at the top keep getting their way and screwing us it will just get worst and worst.

Not sure if got the point: Norway (and pretty much any European country) has laws that prevent those people that their way, a thing that the US doesn't have. In fact, the way the election system is, it actually favors them big time. The democrats not accepting their money to finance their campaigns is a way of showing that they don't want that influence, that they don't accept becoming pawns of big corporations or billionaires.

Also guess who implemented those laws in Europe? Those were Social Democrats or Socialists in 99.99% of the cases. The more left-wing democrats like Sanders and Warren are trying to emulate these laws.

Just FYI, don't forget the 2 and the end. @Bofferbrauer links to my old account.

@Bofferbrauer2
I don't care who ends the corruption as long as it ends. But that's what I argued before. Gets those laws in place first cuz increasing social programs without stoping the the corrupt elite will just make things worst.

The Electoral College is meant to be broadly representative to the population in each state, and without it, the smaller, less populated states loose all their influence and fall into obscurity.

Several countries have similar mechanics to the electoral college, and it's working well there. Why? Because they don't have winner takes all! Abolish Winner takes all/make it unconstitutional, and you'll see that every vote will count. Even better, votes to third parties wouldn't be lost votes anymore, making way to more nuanced politics as these also finally would get their weight and say in the US.