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sethnintendo said:
EricHiggin said:

Unfortunate that this one is going to have to wait until after impeachment, whenever that takes place...

Looks like Democrats are happy enough to just try to oust through elections.  Impeachments take forever and it is only a year and half till elections.  Look how long it took Kenn Starr to investigate Clinton about getting his dick sucked.  Of course he opened up investigations about other dealings with Clintons.  If Clinton's were guilty either  Kenn Starr sucks at investigating or somehow they pulled a fast one.  Trump is whining about being investigated yet Clinton's had just as much or more scrutiny.  Remember stupid Benghazi?  They looked forever yet couldn't come up with shit.  Whatever they did come up with is about as credible as Saddam buying yellow cake uranium from Nigeria.  We all know how that ended.  Pure bs to go into Iraq to finish what GWB Jr thought his daddy didn't with a little backrub from Dick Cheney.

So instead of 'justice' for the American people, they are only going to use this to smear, yet let this and everything else slide? Maybe going after him for these things could backfire like the majority of other attempts so far and hurt their campaigns? Now that's a group of individuals you want running your Government!



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Azuren said:
Machiavellian said:

First I am not glossing over anything because I am taking his words to mean exactly what it means not trying to find some stupid hidden meaning to it.  If some guy came to your home and made the exact same statement before asking you if they could take your daughter out what the hell would you think.  Maybe you live in this fantasy world where someone who acts like Trump really isn't the predator he is but I know way to many guys who think like him.

Lol, Trump stated maybe there are some good people.  I see you have a problem understanding context and how that maybe is a way to basically saying no there is not.  What if I said maybe your mom is not a whore, how would you view that statement.

Here is the thing and I have said this before.  I have no problems with some of the things that Trump takes on but since he is an idiot everything he touches turns to crap.  First lets talk about the Tariffs.  I have no problems with him challenging China or even using Tariffs against them but since he is an idiot, he continue to try to win this whole thing through twitter.  He make public statement that he will force China to do what he wants which is an absolute no no if he was trying any real negotiations with China.  Since he and his administration wanted to go alone without working with everyone else it made it much easier for China to play the waiting game because just American wasn't going to make them change their policy.  Then you have the idiot trying to apply tariffs to everyone which means you are fighting battles on all fronts believing that other countries were just going to accept the tariffs and move on.  Only an idiot thought that but we can go on and on how dumb he is on that front.

Lets take immigration.  Nothing wrong with him taking on this policy but since Trump is an idiot and his administration is built with people who have no clue what they are doing he goes about doing things in a stupid way.  I had no problems making the law that any illegal crossing is a crime but taking away people children with no ability to return them back to their parents was just idiotic.  Its the type of stupid amoral thing an idiotic does believing this is being hard but has the reverse effect.

Lets take healthcare.  Nothing wrong with him taking on this very important issue but since Trump is an idiot and his administration is built with people who have no clue about such complex issues, his solution was nothing. Instead the solution is to get rid of everything instead of building on what works.

Next you have the tax cuts which he and the GOP tried to make like this was something every American will benefit from.  Others have already added to that part of the discussion but we all know that was a con job.

Next we can talk about how he was going to bring back steel to the US, guess what, that did not happen.  Not only did the steel tariffs not bring back steel plants to America but they are on a layoff spree and closing plants because of the tariffs.

Really, I can go on and on about his policies and his administration all day long and we can open another thread on that one.  He showed the same stupid idiotic management when running his businesses and he took it to the White House.  While you may believe just because someone opinion of Trump is negative its the result of the media, but my opinion of Trump is because I did my homework.  I highly doubt you knew anything about Trump and still do not know anything about him.  I am willing to bet you did not do any research on him before or even after he became president and instead your whole ideal of him is based on that dumb TV show of his believing him to be a smart businessman.

You are, but why would you admit it? No, instead you'd rather deflect to asking me if I'd let my daughter date him. Good on you. As expected of someone who goes by the name "Machiavellian". Now put those goalposts back.

He didn't say maybe. He said he assumes some are good people among those coming into the country illegally. Out of context or in this conversation if you said "maybe your mom is not a whore", then you'd probably get a warning or a ban. Now, a discussion concerning a rise in prostitution among 50-60 women that included that? I'd assume it meant you didn't think my mom was a whore.

What's that? A comment on a Trump policy instead of just calling him racist? Color me surprised. I'm not an economist, but I would assume the President of the United States (who has shown in the past that he defers to the wisdom of people who know what they're doing, such as with his chance from a wall to a fence at the suggestion of border control) would probably have a guy in his cabinet who knows a little more about economics than I, a dip who just gets exhausted from all the Trump Anxiety people try to spread, or you, a guy who thought the name Machiavellian was a good faith name for someone arguing politics.

And then a 180 back to the inane. What's amoral about a wall? What about their plans are stupid?

What is the point of the wall if you have them crossing border and waiting next to wall to be captured.  They cross Rio Grande in TX and walk along wall till border patrol shows up.  What will more walls do?  Now we have reports of US camps overcrowded and too lazy to even cook freezer food.  Supposedly we are just throwing uncooked freezer food at them.  Here take a frozen tater tot and enjoy.  

Look I'm all for stopping a shitload of illegals coming through but a wall isn't going to solve the problem.  I guess administration thought if we turned into Japanese internment camps but worse it would discourage them but it didn't work.



EricHiggin said:
sethnintendo said:

Looks like Democrats are happy enough to just try to oust through elections.  Impeachments take forever and it is only a year and half till elections.  Look how long it took Kenn Starr to investigate Clinton about getting his dick sucked.  Of course he opened up investigations about other dealings with Clintons.  If Clinton's were guilty either  Kenn Starr sucks at investigating or somehow they pulled a fast one.  Trump is whining about being investigated yet Clinton's had just as much or more scrutiny.  Remember stupid Benghazi?  They looked forever yet couldn't come up with shit.  Whatever they did come up with is about as credible as Saddam buying yellow cake uranium from Nigeria.  We all know how that ended.  Pure bs to go into Iraq to finish what GWB Jr thought his daddy didn't with a little backrub from Dick Cheney.

So instead of 'justice' for the American people, they are only going to use this to smear, yet let this and everything else slide? Maybe going after him for these things could backfire like the majority of other attempts so far and hurt their campaigns? Now that's a group of individuals you want running your Government!

Yea well apparently sitting president is almost like a king.  You either have to impeach or wait till they get out of office.  That was what Mueller pretty much said.  Precedent was to not file charges against acting president so he put ball in Congress court.  With GOP controlling Senate doesn't matter if House triggers impeachment.  Trump would have to do way worse than he has done now.  I give him a hard time but I guess it could always be worse.



eva01beserk said:
@vivster
You do know a lot of the dems are running on socialism?

Dems run on social programs, which isn't the same as full on socialism. If what the dems are fighting for is Socialism then Germany is a fully socialist country. Even if Bernie had all of his wishes they'd still be merely catching up with other developed western countries. What Americans call "Socialism", every other developed nation calls "human decency" or "common sense".

I don't know what that has to do with anything though. All democratic candidates want the same thing. And even if some don't agree, the policies that are being pushed need approval from the whole party to get through, so it's not like that a radical Democrat would be able to push all of his radical agendas. That's how democracy works.



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vivster said:
eva01beserk said:
@vivster
You do know a lot of the dems are running on socialism?

Dems run on social programs, which isn't the same as full on socialism. If what the dems are fighting for is Socialism then Germany is a fully socialist country. Even if Bernie had all of his wishes they'd still be merely catching up with other developed western countries. What Americans call "Socialism", every other developed nation calls "human decency" or "common sense".

I don't know what that has to do with anything though. All democratic candidates want the same thing. And even if some don't agree, the policies that are being pushed need approval from the whole party to get through, so it's not like that a radical Democrat would be able to push all of his radical agendas. That's how democracy works.

Don't forget about all the money.  No way in hell the for profit healthcare industry would allow their controlled politicians to approve of government healthcare for all.  Just look at Obamacare.  It was practically written by insurance and other healthcare provider industry and people still view it as socialist because they attached Obama's name to it.



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vivster said:
eva01beserk said:
@vivster
You do know a lot of the dems are running on socialism?

Dems run on social programs, which isn't the same as full on socialism. If what the dems are fighting for is Socialism then Germany is a fully socialist country. Even if Bernie had all of his wishes they'd still be merely catching up with other developed western countries. What Americans call "Socialism", every other developed nation calls "human decency" or "common sense".

I don't know what that has to do with anything though. All democratic candidates want the same thing. And even if some don't agree, the policies that are being pushed need approval from the whole party to get through, so it's not like that a radical Democrat would be able to push all of his radical agendas. That's how democracy works.

I hope America never becomes what western Europe is today.



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tsogud said:

All great YouTube channels (I love how Kim's getting more exposure she's amazing), I suggest Brian Tyler Cohen, The David Pakman Show, The Majority Report w/Sam Seder, and Rebecca Watson as well (the last one is less political but she's a smaller channel so Imma just plug her here lol)

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gamingsoul said:
vivster said:

Dems run on social programs, which isn't the same as full on socialism. If what the dems are fighting for is Socialism then Germany is a fully socialist country. Even if Bernie had all of his wishes they'd still be merely catching up with other developed western countries. What Americans call "Socialism", every other developed nation calls "human decency" or "common sense".

I don't know what that has to do with anything though. All democratic candidates want the same thing. And even if some don't agree, the policies that are being pushed need approval from the whole party to get through, so it's not like that a radical Democrat would be able to push all of his radical agendas. That's how democracy works.

I hope America never becomes what western Europe is today.

I hope you never have enough power to decide over human lives.



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gamingsoul said:
vivster said:

Dems run on social programs, which isn't the same as full on socialism. If what the dems are fighting for is Socialism then Germany is a fully socialist country. Even if Bernie had all of his wishes they'd still be merely catching up with other developed western countries. What Americans call "Socialism", every other developed nation calls "human decency" or "common sense".

I don't know what that has to do with anything though. All democratic candidates want the same thing. And even if some don't agree, the policies that are being pushed need approval from the whole party to get through, so it's not like that a radical Democrat would be able to push all of his radical agendas. That's how democracy works.

I hope America never becomes what western Europe is today.

So you never want health care for everyone (like in europe) in america and instead want that tousands of people die each year because of missing health care? You want to keep child mortality at nearly double the rate than europe? You want to keep the americans in the opoid-addiction caused by greedy companies lying to regulatory authority, something which european authorities never believed and therefore made addictive pain medication hard to get? You want to keep the level of gun violence higher than in europe? You want to keep the crime rate and murder higher than in europe (the US has about five times as much murder as germany)? You want to keep a higher income inequality in america than in europe (EU has a Gini-coefficient of 30.6, the US of 47, more similar to Zimbabwe (50.1) than europe)?

I think some of your fellow americans might have a different opinion.



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sethnintendo said:
KLAMarine said:

Oh, you lived in Nazi Germany at one point to be able to compare the two?

Is that all you got because you don't have shit.  I've seen more WW2 footage than you can imagine.

Actually let me rephrase that.  FDR is more beloved than your piece of shit con man will ever be.  I will be laughing and celebrating when he dies.  And yes I'm an American.

When he dies I will go out and purchase an American flag and fly it full staff and put a made in china make America great again hat on top.  Maybe try get some bone spurs to decorate top of hat also.

You mean the guy who decided it was fair to throw US citizens who had done nothing wrong other than being Japanese into internment-camps? Yet complain about how the Trump-administration is dealing with criminals trying to cross the border illegally



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