Wyrdness said:
Mr Puggsly said:
I didn't give a real response because it was a really dumb comparison. I felt mocking your example was sufficient.
I looked up his trans community comments, its not that bad. But maybe something is wrong with me, maybe I'm not offended easily enough. I'm really fine with people saying whatever they want unless its a call for violence. Even when I here progressives say ridiculous crap, I don't really care and I can be friends with them.
Did you just call black people in the US ignorants? Look buddy, I don't know how this works in the UK but that's not cool in the US.
Your example was bad, as usual. You brought up Asians and Jews, but they don't really call each other racial epithets in jest. Many black people, atleast in the US, do use that word in a neutral manner. You can call them "ignorants" but the word is used neutrally. That word being used in a neutral manner encourages other groups to do the same. I'm not really arguing the morality, this is just reality. I think many of us understand he was using it in jest and that's why we aren't bothered.
I can understand why people would be bothered by anything Nazi related, but I really do value freedom. Also, trying to punish people for being racist doesn't actually eliminate racism.
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Mocking was your only response because you had no counter that's the point hence why you never answered the question as the answer would either shoot down your earlier point or have you in a position of double standards for not being consistent because end of the day accident or not both are still ban worthy under the TOS and you can't debunk this.
No I called the people who use it casually ignorants if you think that every black person in US does it then it says more about your assumptions than anything, US has people like Ben Carson after all who thinks slaves were people who just immigrated to the US so it wouldn't surprise me if certain groups of people think its use is fine casually as US has a troubled history.
The example was fine you just have no counter to the argument which is apparent it's even more ironic that this very part of your post has cemented my point as you're trying to defend people using it as not ignorant right after you acknowledge Jews and Asians don't call each other by the terms used to demean them for the same reason many blacks don't tolerate the term for themselves. For the majority of black people the is no neutrality on the word it just symbolizes what it was created for a derogatory word to slur an ethnic group go to any majority black country and you won't find one were it's used in how you say as it's flat out offensive in them.
Freedom doesn't mean free of consequence and like I told someone earlier punishment is the only language some people will understand the are many people who know what they're doing is wrong and would keep doing it because of no retribution an example are trolls on social media and even certain people on online services like Live and PSN.
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My counter was your example was dumb because it really is. The thing is you had to make a hyperbolic comparison because saying the n-word on its own isn't really that bad.
I will make a better example given you're terrible at this. Instead of comparing the n-word used in jest to child porn. How about just regular porn? You know, like maybe a lady that just has her boobs out? That would be a more reasonable comparison given child porn is generally seriously criminal shit with victims. If he is looking at child porn, at that point Twitch has some obligation to report him to authorities.
Frankly, I'm not arguing Twitch shouldn't do something in either scenario. I think a warning would be fine if the n-word is accidently seen or nude lady is accidently broadcasted. Again, its a live broadcast, sometimes things are unintentionally shown, things happen. If it happens multiple times, then bans make sense. Also, it looks like a witch hunt when you complain about trans comments which was more like condemnation of a group than trans people.
The UK has a troubled history as well, I mean its a very white country due to racism. Its no melting pot like the US and that's the way the UK likes it. But lets not get political.
No, your example was terrible but I made a better one, your welcome.
We agree Asians and Jews don't call each their racial epithets in a neutral manner, I think that's part why those words aren't said. Meanwhile the n-word is used often in a neutral manner and still a popular word in rap music. I feel that's partly why people use the n-word in jest. There are black people in the US that are actually opposed to the n-word said by anybody and I respect that. However, many black in the US trivialize the word. However, I'm a guy who likes freedom, I don't much care either way. If people want to use that word neutrally, I don't really give a fuck.
Maybe we will get to a point where saying the n-word is criminal, throw everybody jail who says it. Black people included. Then we will all be happier.
That's the thing about left wingers like you, you want to use the government to punish people in acting the way you feel is acceptable. Politically I fall in the center, I don't like to punish people unless they're really harming others or calling for violence. The left in US complains there are too many people in jail, while constantly encouraging legislation that puts people in jail.