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Eagle367 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes, Sony messing up PS3 have it selling 85M... PS1 was sucessful, and they didn't mess PS2 because of it.

Dude the PS3 lost money all throughout it's life while Wii U was even and even made a little money for ninty by the time it ended. And I'm not saying it's a trend, but there is precedent. Considering only 4 gens, messing 1 gen after another successful gen is still a very big deal. Whether it's a trend or an exception will be decided by PS4 since that will be the 2nd time that Sony either produces 2 successful consoles in a row or a failure after a success. Sales aren't the only thing and PS3 was most definitely a failure

I see, so Sony messing that sold more than all but one console of Nintendo is more of a reason for PS5 to not outsell XB4 and NS than let's say Nintendo only crossing 100M with a console 1 single time.



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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
Eagle367 said:

Dude the PS3 lost money all throughout it's life while Wii U was even and even made a little money for ninty by the time it ended. And I'm not saying it's a trend, but there is precedent. Considering only 4 gens, messing 1 gen after another successful gen is still a very big deal. Whether it's a trend or an exception will be decided by PS4 since that will be the 2nd time that Sony either produces 2 successful consoles in a row or a failure after a success. Sales aren't the only thing and PS3 was most definitely a failure

I see, so Sony messing that sold more than all but one console of Nintendo is more of a reason for PS5 to not outsell XB4 and NS than let's say Nintendo only crossing 100M with a console 1 single time.

We all know ninty has never been the biggest hardware beast, while Sony has but Ninty produces more profit per console than Sony ever could. We were discussing Sony here. And Ninty in handheld has always sold a lot. We all know the general trend of ninty has been a slow decline except GameCube and Wii U which were pretty drastic while handhelds have been fairly high and consistent. Now that there's only one ninty console, who knows what happens. But switch will sell 100mil most likely. 

I'm all over the place though so tl;dr, I was talking about just Sony, not Nintendo here. If you wanna talk ninty, we can. 2 different topics altogether and then the comparison is a third topic.



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Eagle367 said:
DonFerrari said:

I see, so Sony messing that sold more than all but one console of Nintendo is more of a reason for PS5 to not outsell XB4 and NS than let's say Nintendo only crossing 100M with a console 1 single time.

We all know ninty has never been the biggest hardware beast, while Sony has but Ninty produces more profit per console than Sony ever could. We were discussing Sony here. And Ninty in handheld has always sold a lot. We all know the general trend of ninty has been a slow decline except GameCube and Wii U which were pretty drastic while handhelds have been fairly high and consistent. Now that there's only one ninty console, who knows what happens. But switch will sell 100mil most likely. 

I'm all over the place though so tl;dr, I was talking about just Sony, not Nintendo here. If you wanna talk ninty, we can. 2 different topics altogether and then the comparison is a third topic.

Thread/topic is comparing sales of PS5, XB4 and Switch.

So considering Sony biggest fumble outsold all but Wii, then it is likely that they will outsell Switch as well.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

the PS5 will be a literal monster - Even stringent PC fans will take note as it will be the first time a console has reached a level of performance that anything else on top is just bells and whistles.

for example Modern warfare 5 for example....if its a crystal clear 4k/60fps on a console with ultra crisp details is it worth paying a premium ie a £600 GPU to get it to 120fps or higher shadows etc will be very interesting to see how that pans out.



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DonFerrari said:
Eagle367 said:

We all know ninty has never been the biggest hardware beast, while Sony has but Ninty produces more profit per console than Sony ever could. We were discussing Sony here. And Ninty in handheld has always sold a lot. We all know the general trend of ninty has been a slow decline except GameCube and Wii U which were pretty drastic while handhelds have been fairly high and consistent. Now that there's only one ninty console, who knows what happens. But switch will sell 100mil most likely. 

I'm all over the place though so tl;dr, I was talking about just Sony, not Nintendo here. If you wanna talk ninty, we can. 2 different topics altogether and then the comparison is a third topic.

Thread/topic is comparing sales of PS5, XB4 and Switch.

So considering Sony biggest fumble outsold all but Wii, then it is likely that they will outsell Switch as well.

But the problem is we have no idea what the PS5 is and switch is competing with PS4, not 5. I was only discussing the possibility of PS5 failing or succeeding. PS3 was a failure in any way except sales. 



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Eagle367 said:
DonFerrari said:

Thread/topic is comparing sales of PS5, XB4 and Switch.

So considering Sony biggest fumble outsold all but Wii, then it is likely that they will outsell Switch as well.

But the problem is we have no idea what the PS5 is and switch is competing with PS4, not 5. I was only discussing the possibility of PS5 failing or succeeding. PS3 was a failure in any way except sales. 

Ok. Then we go for a simpler analysis, 3 of 4 playstation consoles have been major success. So the odds are much higher for another success than to failure. To pretend that Sony fails after they succeed as anything of a trend would be to ignore that PS1 was a success or that PS2 was an even bigger success.

Also let's just sink for a moment that PS3 wasn't the fruit of lenience or arrogance, they just gone full power on improving everything that PS2 had. We can certainly say after fact that it was a bad decision to put BD drives that would make the console cost so much (but PS1 and PS2 at the time of their release had drives that were expensive, while the consoles were cheaper then the CDs and DVD players of the time) or that Cell was to alien (still PS1 and PS2 also had architecture and chips that weren't off-the-shelf) we also can criticize the price point even if Sony was eating 200-300 USD at launch depending on the model you look with probably bad perception of how much the price would drop after 1-2 years. Also you can't fault Sony for after 2 generations of good sales thinking they would keep selling good, which you accepted they did sell good even if about 1/2 of what they sold in PS2.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

JRPGfan said:
RolStoppable said:

Does Switch strike you as a half-step like the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X?

Wii U = 176 Gflops
Switch = 393 Gflops


PS4 = 1,840 Gflops
PS4pro = 4,200 Gflops

"Does Switch strike you as a half-step like the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X?"

By the numbers? yes. Its very much a half-step like the PS4Pro (smaller step up, than the PS4pro is).
But you sorta have a point anyways.... its not like their the same machines that play the same games, even though the switch did see alot of Wii U ports.

I like how you used the Switches graphics power whilst un-docked. Very honest of you.

Also it's pretty obvious the switch is completely different to the Wii U when compared to the Pro and X compared to XB1/PS4. They're the exact same systems with a bit more powerful internals, they use the same OS, they have complete parity with games, everything on the Pro is on the PS4 and backwards. Did Mario Odyssey come out on Wii U? Splatoon 2? Xenoblade Chronicles 2? And so on. You can't pretend it's not a completely different generation to the Wii U. 

These cases are not the same. The Wii U came out a year before the PS4/XB1. They're the same generation. Unless you want to now tell me that the 360 is a different gen to the PS3/Wii? 



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ArchangelMadzz said:
JRPGfan said:

Wii U = 176 Gflops
Switch = 393 Gflops


PS4 = 1,840 Gflops
PS4pro = 4,200 Gflops

"Does Switch strike you as a half-step like the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X?"

By the numbers? yes. Its very much a half-step like the PS4Pro (smaller step up, than the PS4pro is).
But you sorta have a point anyways.... its not like their the same machines that play the same games, even though the switch did see alot of Wii U ports.

I like how you used the Switches graphics power whilst un-docked. Very honest of you.

Also it's pretty obvious the switch is completely different to the Wii U when compared to the Pro and X compared to XB1/PS4. They're the exact same systems with a bit more powerful internals, they use the same OS, they have complete parity with games, everything on the Pro is on the PS4 and backwards. Did Mario Odyssey come out on Wii U? Splatoon 2? Xenoblade Chronicles 2? And so on. You can't pretend it's not a completely different generation to the Wii U. 

These cases are not the same. The Wii U came out a year before the PS4/XB1. They're the same generation. Unless you want to now tell me that the 360 is a different gen to the PS3/Wii? 

What are you talking about??

Un-docked Switch = 157 Gflops
Docked Switch = 393 Gflops

Are you thinking about half-floats ? FP16? Do you say PS4pro is a 8.4 Tflop machine too?
FP32 (same thing we use for PS4/XB1) the Switch is 393 GFlops docked.

Apples to Apples compairsion is what I did.
So I used FP32 for all the console systems I listed above (Wii U + Switch , and PS4 + PS4pro).

How can people still be confused about how powerfull the Switch is? Havnt we had this talk / threads for ends on ends already?

"You can't pretend it's not a completely different generation to the Wii U."

I know that, Im just saying useing the logic "its not a half step like the PS4 to the PS4pro" is wrong, in terms of hardware.
The jump from PS4 -> PS4pro, is bigger than the one from the Wii U to the Switch.

Also my definition of a console generation, isnt viewed simply by what number it is in release order from a vendor.
A generation isnt singular, thus even in console talk, its about belonging to others that appear at the same time / same capabilities.
In my view Switch belongs to the same gen as the PS4/XB1, its not a next gen console.

I was argueing with someone else, and he said that "its not a half step, like the PS4 to PS4pro".
Which was why I brought up the numbers... and my counter arguement was in terms of "power" jump, the PS4 to PS4pro was a bigger jump than WiiU to Switch, or atleast as big.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 26 April 2019

JRPGfan said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

I like how you used the Switches graphics power whilst un-docked. Very honest of you.

Also it's pretty obvious the switch is completely different to the Wii U when compared to the Pro and X compared to XB1/PS4. They're the exact same systems with a bit more powerful internals, they use the same OS, they have complete parity with games, everything on the Pro is on the PS4 and backwards. Did Mario Odyssey come out on Wii U? Splatoon 2? Xenoblade Chronicles 2? And so on. You can't pretend it's not a completely different generation to the Wii U. 

These cases are not the same. The Wii U came out a year before the PS4/XB1. They're the same generation. Unless you want to now tell me that the 360 is a different gen to the PS3/Wii? 

What are you talking about??

Un-docked Switch = 157 Gflops
Docked Switch = 393 Gflops

Are you thinking about half-floats ? FP16? Do you say PS4pro is a 8.4 Tflop machine too?
FP32 (same thing we use for PS4/XB1) the Switch is 393 GFlops docked.

Apples to Apples compairsion is what I did.
So I used FP32 for all the console systems I listed above (Wii U + Switch , and PS4 + PS4pro).

How can people still be confused about how powerfull the Switch is? Havnt we had this talk / threads for ends on ends already?

"You can't pretend it's not a completely different generation to the Wii U."

I know that, Im just saying useing the logic "its not a half step like the PS4 to the PS4pro" is wrong, in terms of hardware.
The jump from PS4 -> PS4pro, is bigger than the one from the Wii U to the Switch.

Also my definition of a console generation, isnt viewed simply by what number it is in release order from a vendor.
A generation isnt singular, thus even in console talk, its about belonging to others that appear at the same time / same capabilities.
In my view Switch belongs to the same gen as the PS4/XB1, its not a next gen console.

I was argueing with someone else, and he said that "its not a half step, like the PS4 to PS4pro".
Which was why I brought up the numbers... and my counter arguement was in terms of "power" jump, the PS4 to PS4pro was a bigger jump than WiiU to Switch, or atleast as big.

I remember reading the switch had more, I apologise I was wrong, I should've checked before commenting. 


Power doesn't define a generation. It's more than just power. So you're either saying the Wii U isn't in the same gen as the PS4/XB1 or you're saying the Switch and Wii U are in the same gen?



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ArchangelMadzz said:
JRPGfan said:

What are you talking about??

Un-docked Switch = 157 Gflops
Docked Switch = 393 Gflops

Are you thinking about half-floats ? FP16? Do you say PS4pro is a 8.4 Tflop machine too?
FP32 (same thing we use for PS4/XB1) the Switch is 393 GFlops docked.

Apples to Apples compairsion is what I did.
So I used FP32 for all the console systems I listed above (Wii U + Switch , and PS4 + PS4pro).

How can people still be confused about how powerfull the Switch is? Havnt we had this talk / threads for ends on ends already?

"You can't pretend it's not a completely different generation to the Wii U."

I know that, Im just saying useing the logic "its not a half step like the PS4 to the PS4pro" is wrong, in terms of hardware.
The jump from PS4 -> PS4pro, is bigger than the one from the Wii U to the Switch.

Also my definition of a console generation, isnt viewed simply by what number it is in release order from a vendor.
A generation isnt singular, thus even in console talk, its about belonging to others that appear at the same time / same capabilities.
In my view Switch belongs to the same gen as the PS4/XB1, its not a next gen console.

I was argueing with someone else, and he said that "its not a half step, like the PS4 to PS4pro".
Which was why I brought up the numbers... and my counter arguement was in terms of "power" jump, the PS4 to PS4pro was a bigger jump than WiiU to Switch, or atleast as big.

I remember reading the switch had more, I apologise I was wrong, I should've checked before commenting. 


Power doesn't define a generation. It's more than just power. So you're either saying the Wii U isn't in the same gen as the PS4/XB1 or you're saying the Switch and Wii U are in the same gen?

Its fine, its the Nvidia PR speak, and the Half-float vs Full Floats thingy.
Not to help this issue, alot of people on the net that list consoles by power, often mis-quote things too, adding to the confusion.

We had alot of threads over time because of this even here on VGChartz where people where confused about the Switch.

"Power doesn't define a generation. It's more than just power. So you're either saying the Wii U isn't in the same gen as the PS4/XB1 or you're saying the Switch and Wii U are in the same gen?"


Power kinda does..... if you cant play most of the same 3rd party gen games, because your system isnt strong enough.
Is it still a current gen console?

Note Im not saying this. I believe the Switch belongs to the same gen as the PS4/XB1, as it can play some 3rd party multiplats.


I think Wii U was a half step console..... a tiny bit above the PS3/XB360, but too far below the PS4/XB1 to belong to the same gen as them.
I believe the Switch is the same gen as the PS4.

So either Nintendo had 2 consoles, in 1 gen.
Or Wii U was a half step, into the same gen as the PS4/XB1, but not really in the same gen.

I just cant think of the Switch as being a future gen, when its so far behinde in terms of tech / capabilities / power,..... it wouldnt be right to put it side by side with the Xbox Two or Playstation 5.

IF theres any ports of PS5/XB2 games that are multiplat, and really demanding, and somehow they manage to port it to the Switch, and it looks/plays okay.... I might change my mind.  However right now, I just dont considering the Switch to be a gen ahead.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 26 April 2019