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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl2kBrGNIkM

An epic rant from TFM. No doubt this viewpoint is going to trigger a lot of people.



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Based on historical statement on this sites, I don't see this ending well. I agree with his sentiment, not necessarily his tone/language, but honestly the tone of the majority anti-epic is also awful as well.



 

Acevil said:
Based on historical statement on this sites, I don't see this ending well. I agree with his sentiment, not necessarily his tone/language, but honestly the tone of the majority anti-epic is also awful as well.

Well those people should understand that it is either buy exclusivity or die.



Because a gamer should prefer that a platform invest money in making new games/open new studios. Buying time exclusives seems like a waste of money and what does it add to the gaming world? I prefer new experiences/games instead of the fanboyish but platform x does it to make more money argument.






Metroid33slayer said:
Acevil said:
Based on historical statement on this sites, I don't see this ending well. I agree with his sentiment, not necessarily his tone/language, but honestly the tone of the majority anti-epic is also awful as well.

Well those people should understand that it is either buy exclusivity or die.

How about this for a third Option: Just bring a better service than Steam. Considering how bad Steam has become, that wouldn't have been that hard to do.

Hey, I can even bring up a fourth Option: Carving out their own niche, like GOG does with Retro games and itch.io does with indies.

But no, they had to make it even worse than Steam and then buy exclusivities on top of it.

Seriously, there could have been lots of different ways to not die - they just chose the worst ones from a consumer perspective. And that's why many gamers are pissed about the EGS. They could even just have the games being cheaper in their store, promoted it out and waited at bit, and gamers who would have been interested into it would have flocked there from themselves. But what they do instead is holding games randsom behind their shitty storefront.

And no, it's not just about installing yet another store. I certainly don't mind about that (would be number 7 8 to me, after Impulse, GamersGate, Desura, GOG, Uplay, Steam and itch.io, so one more or less doesn't affect me, really), but about the services it provides - or rather doesn't provide. And the fact that TenCent owns half of the store and already had data violations is just the cherry on top for me.



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I just download a different launcher.

100% agree with him.



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The problem is that instead of Epic coming out with a store that was equal to or better than Steam, then enticing devs with better incentives (this part I believe they do), they released a bare bones storefront with poor security and features, then just started buying up timed exclusives to force people to use their store if they want the game on release. It's a shitty business practice and I'm surprised to see anyone support it.



BasilZero said:
Acevil said:
Based on historical statement on this sites, I don't see this ending well. I agree with his sentiment, not necessarily his tone/language, but honestly the tone of the majority anti-epic is also awful as well.

You can say the same for the pro-epic users as well especially since they turn a blind eye to all the anti-consumer aspects. Most of the animosity comes from hating a successful service/business - kinda like how some MS and Nintendo fans hate Sony due to the PS4's success, ironically enough most of the people who are pro-epic on internet gaming forums dont even use EGS.

I believe the situation has changed now and it will be Valve who will have to compete.  What I mean by this is that bigger players are coming and they are throwing money around.  Prices will have to be more competitive and Valve will have to cater more to offset these type of exclusive deals.  Yes, Valve has the better overall service but if enough top games do not come to their store at the same time gamers will go where the games are.  Once Epic is feature complete with Valve, then things gets even worse.



BasilZero said:
Machiavellian said:

I believe the situation has changed now and it will be Valve who will have to compete.  What I mean by this is that bigger players are coming and they are throwing money around.  Prices will have to be more competitive and Valve will have to cater more to offset these type of exclusive deals.  Yes, Valve has the better overall service but if enough top games do not come to their store at the same time gamers will go where the games are.  Once Epic is feature complete with Valve, then things gets even worse.

I dont think there's much they can do about moneyhat deals.

However incentives to buy games on Steam have already happened such as what happened during the Lunar Year sale where they offered a discount on top of purchasing a certain amount of games, something that they never have done before and something that third party resellers usually do.

So as a consumer, this is a huge win for my wallet.

There hasnt been a single game that is on EGS that wont be coming to Steam (excluding Fortnite which Epic owns and possibly Ubisoft games which are already better price value than what Steam or EGS offers in the first place due to the example I provided in my previous post above).

EGS is gonna have to step up and like GOG (where they had a policy to be against VNs only to be reversed due to the success of VNs on Steam) they are gonna be forced to make changes to the policies they mentioned when they first arrived - such as in their stance for support forums, user reviews, cloud saves, etc and of course third party key selling - these are all things that Epic said that they wont provide because they believe "Steam has too many features". They'll eventually be pushed by Steam's success and will provide them - overall in the end I believe its gonna be a Win win situation for all PC gamers.

Epic's gonna have to do more than moneyhatting 6 month or 1 year exclusivity to have a edge over Steam. Something like getting PC exclusivity over console releases (i.e. console versions getting delayed for EGS release) - I can see that happening and if so that is gonna be awesome!



I also disagree on with what you say is gonna get worse, I think its gonna get better because Valve will definitely improve the service on top of what they have been doing these past 10 years - Origin and Uplay are better than what they were when they first were released, now they mimic'd a lot of what Steam has and its been a great experience. Its only gonna get better for the PC gaming market going forward.

I hope you're right on this. What I fear is that some will see that you don't need a great store, just enough money to burn on moneyhatting the big releases for their own shops, and start more competitors (or some established ones with much money behind, like Origin) doing essentially the same thing like Epic did. "After all, it worked for them, so why wouldn't it work for us?" would probably be what the corporate bosses in the industry are thinking right now.