Ya'll are the ones bringing up their race. Yeah the tweet is bad but Trump tweets bad things to people he does not like or people that come after him it's just how he operates. The progressives could have been white and he would have tweeted something nasty too.

It probably doesn't but I am sure if you believe that, it means all the world to you more than them.  I am sure a person who doesn't actually put any time helping a homeless person get back on their feet probably would think that.

But if you ignore all logic and reason you can kind of twist it into something not racist, and really that is all it takes for me these days.

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Charity can still be selfish even if it means helping someone else. Not everything is a zero sum game (despite Trump's apparent beliefs). If you are giving in order to benefit yourself (for example, from all of the people who rush to your aid and say "Yeah, but he donated to charity"), it can still be selfish.

As a bit of a side note, here is a bit from the bible:

⁴¹ Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put^{B)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-24715B">} and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. ⁴² But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

⁴³ Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. ⁴⁴ They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”

How is that relevant in proving Trump isn't self-serving?

Except it is still self-serving because he isn't donating to charities but back to the federal government itself (Department of Health and Human Services, Education, Transportation, Veteran Affairs, Homeland Security, National Park Service, SBA....).  But it makes him 'look good' because he's 'donating'.  Plus, he writes it all off on his taxes so he loses nothing.

Further, none of these agencies can actually accept the money because by law all funds are congressionally allocated.  So it all goes back to the US Treasury's general fund.  So it's all for show.

The real irony is that he has stated he wanted to cut the budgets for some of those agencies by billions and yet acts like his $78,333 (each donation after taxes) is supposed to mean something.

It probably doesn't but I am sure if you believe that, it means all the world to you more than them.  I am sure a person who doesn't actually put any time helping a homeless person get back on their feet probably would think that.

Charity can still be selfish even if it means helping someone else. Not everything is a zero sum game (despite Trump's apparent beliefs). If you are giving in order to benefit yourself (for example, from all of the people who rush to your aid and say "Yeah, but he donated to charity"), it can still be selfish.

As a bit of a side note, here is a bit from the bible:

⁴¹ Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put^{B)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-24715B">} and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. ⁴² But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

⁴³ Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. ⁴⁴ They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”

Except it is still self-serving because he isn't donating to charities but back to the federal government itself (Department of Health and Human Services, Education, Transportation, Veteran Affairs, Homeland Security, National Park Service, SBA....).  But it makes him 'look good' because he's 'donating'.  Plus, he writes it all off on his taxes so he loses nothing.

Further, none of these agencies can actually accept the money because by law all funds are congressionally allocated.  So it all goes back to the US Treasury's general fund.  So it's all for show.

The real irony is that he has stated he wanted to cut the budgets for some of those agencies by billions and yet acts like his $78,333 (each donation after taxes) is supposed to mean something.

Not relevant at all. I wasn't trying to prove Trump isn't self-serving.

Come on Jason, really do you believe after all this time their race has absolutely nothing to do with that tweet from Trump.  He didn't even take the time to check to see who was born and raised in the US compared to coming from some other country and now a part of Congress.  Even to the average person they see right through that statement and Race had everything to do with it.  Either way, I am not here to convince you because I can tell you have never been on the other side of such comments so you will never understand the history.  People of color are use to people like you dismissing such things and ignoring the significance.  This is how prejudice continue to be a major player in the US society because you are willing to accept it and turn a blind eye.

You are right, the progressives could have been white and he would have tweeted something nasty but what Trump wouldn't have done is tweeted exactly what he did with this group.  This is the context you seem to be missing and tossing aside.  This isn't a bunch of white women and so this what if is just that BS.  It was this group and he was more than happy to show what he thought of them.

Also continuing to give Trump a pass when he make statements like this is what makes him more bold to continue to do it.  Each time everyone become less shocked when he ups the ante on another one of these statements and I wonder just what he has to do to show you who he is before you believe him.

1). It certainly isn't charity.  Donating to the government rather than actual charities is just weird to start with. But donating $78,333 to the National Park Service when you want to cut the parent department by $2 billion is just stupid.  It's not really frugality either because he's not saving money. It's zero sum.  It's all for show.  He can say he donated his whole salary to attendees at a rally or Tweet it out to score political points. So long as details like I mentioned aren't talked about, it makes him 'look good'.

2). I'm not going to try to explain it to you.  You've already made up your mind that they aren't racist and no effort of mine or others will deter you from that because that is what you want to believe it as.

Well in that case you evidently set out to make an irrelevant point and you nailed it - well done.

1. You're assuming he made the comments because of their race. The comments are still pretty bad but to assume is racist is jumping to conclusions. Trump goes after anyone that criticizes him regardless of their race.

2. I'm not turning a blind eye. If the comments were racist then i'd say they were racist. Also stop jumping to conclusions about my life experiences. I have experienced actually racism before so dont assume things.

3. Of the progressives were white and born in another country ot had parents or grandparents that came from a poor country i'm sure he would have made similar comments.

4. None is giving him a pass or agreeing with what he said. We're just disagreeing on whether the comments are racist.

What problem?

No, they still have to pay him.  That's the law.  He still gets the money deposited into his account 4 times per year.  But if you mean the government regains the $400k, then you could say he's trying to save the government that much each year but then he also cut hundreds of billions from the tax revenue.

You don't have to mention race itself to be racist.  He told 4 people of color to go back to the country they came from.  Despite 3 of them having been born here. What facet of these 4 women elicits a suggestion that they go back to their home country?  Could it be that they look like they came from a foreign country?  Otherwise, where does thought even originate from?  If they were 4 white looking women, do you seriously think he would have made the same comment?  Probably not.  Therefore he only said what he said because of their race/ethnicity. Hence...racist.

But it's more than just that.  He has a history of derogatory language that follows a similar thought process. You can't just put everything he says in a vacuum and ignore his previous inflammatory remarks.

But let's flip the table.  Tell me why it wasn't racist.

>Could stem from foreign-sounding names. I would question if someone was from the US if they had a name that didn't sound typical.

And that totally makes it okay.  If you only make fun of non-American names (whatever those are).

>Trump's tweets made zero mention of race hence I don't consider them racist.

Therein lies the problem.  It happens all the time, where something on the surface doesn't seem racist.  But when you push it harder, you find out it really was.  

It's called a dog whistle.  One example of it is when something doesn't sound racist, but it is how it was meant.  

"Certain people should get sent to Africa".

Technically doesn't mention race, but it's pretty clear what it's meant. 

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Ya'll are getting so hung up on the racist label as if it were some horrible terrible word that only the worst kinds of people should ever get called.  

Whatever you want to call it.  Racist, prejudice, or even just horrific, the label doesn't matter that much.  It is horrific that the president would ever say such a thing. 

Ya'll are getting so hung up on the racist label as if it were some horrible terrible word that only the worst kinds of people should ever get called.  

Whatever you want to call it.  Racist, prejudice, or even just horrific, the label doesn't matter that much.  It is horrific that the president would ever say just think such a thing.