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jason1637 said:
HylianSwordsman said:

Like I said, if it's in the public interest, and they can run it better than a government program and without corporate greed, why not spend government money on a non-government organization? I mean it's our money, if that's how we want it spent (as a democratic whole, not as individuals obviously), then it should be spent that way.

But we never decided that we want our money spent that way. It was left up to those in congress and President.

Then tell them not to and vote them out if they don't listen.



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DrDoomz said:
EricHiggin said:

Guilty verdicts for key media stars tied to big mainstream political issues aren't trending as of late.

Kav apparently was supposed to be guilty and yet get's off scot-free.

Trump apparently was supposed to be guilty and yet get's off scot-free.

So it only makes sense that since Smollett apparently was supposed to be guilty, he get's off scot-free.

Hard to argue with that logic, no? Maybe the world really is flat... and upside down.

As in any kind pursuit for justice, the difference is in the quality of evidence.

Kav and Trump were assumed guilty with no solid evidence linking them to the crime. There was an investigation and a lot of the evidence (w/c were shown to the public) were inconclusive.

Smollet was guilty as sin with a paper trail and witnesses. This was open and shut but the prosecutor just decided to drop the charges. Which made this look corrupt as heck.

Big difference here.

NightlyPoe said:
EricHiggin said:

Guilty verdicts for key media stars tied to big mainstream political issues aren't trending as of late.

Kav apparently was supposed to be guilty and yet get's off scot-free.

Trump apparently was supposed to be guilty and yet get's off scot-free.

So it only makes sense that since Smollett apparently was supposed to be guilty, he get's off scot-free.

Hard to argue with that logic, no? Maybe the world really is flat... and upside down.

Yeah, no.  Smollett had a mountain of evidence against him, confessions from his co-conspirators, receipts for the items, signed checks, pictures of the co-conspirators with him, video evidence that showed him walking around calmly right after it allegedly happened, etc..  Plus his story was rather ridiculous to begin with starting with the premise that two guys were walking around Chicago on one of the coldest nights in years with a rope and a bottle containing some substance and recognized a B-List celebrity they could attack.

Kavanaugh had one woman making an allegation with details so vague that they could never be substantiated.

Trump just survived a two-year investigation which looked high and low for any evidence of guilt and couldn't find anything on him.

I wasn't serious, that's why I made the joke about why guilty verdicts aren't trending, as if the decisions are being made by the public socially. That and since it seemed like there was actually more than enough hard evidence against Smollett, and how he blamed the corrupt system, which is what it seems he used to get away with it, makes me wonder if the world really is flat and upside down, because the laws and rules don't seem to always apply, even though we're told they do.



Immersiveunreality said:
o_O.Q said:
its just ironic that jussie smolettes is the kind of guy who would argue that america has a patriarchy that has built in structural racism and homophobia... and look at what happens... as a black homosexual he commits fraud to game the system with the expectation that he'll be scrutinised less because he's black and homosexual and then when he's caught he gets away with murder metaphorically

its just so amusingly ironic

It makes me sick how he now tributes to the dividing of people, he feeds racism and homophobia with his bs.

this is what people that constantly agitate for going overboard in the pursuit of ending discrimination do not understand - you leave the door wide open for trolls and insincere people to exploit the agenda for their own personal gain

look at what the notion of "believe women" has done, its now empowered many unscrupulous women to feign victimhood for personal gain because they know that they now have a cloak of invulnerability, ironically because of their sex from people who are trying to end sexism... its mindbogglingly incoherent



https://youtu.be/LzejJ_IZBVU

Disgusting.



TallSilhouette said:

https://youtu.be/LzejJ_IZBVU

Disgusting.

She's such a POS. Dumb as a post too. I'm tempted to count how many times in that video, she flashes that stupid grin of hers while responding to a question with a non-answer.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

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the-pi-guy said:

o_O.Q said:

this is what people that constantly agitate for going overboard in the pursuit of ending discrimination do not understand - you leave the door wide open for trolls and insincere people to exploit the agenda for their own personal gain

look at what the notion of "believe women" has done, its now empowered many unscrupulous women to feign victimhood for personal gain because they know that they now have a cloak of invulnerability, ironically because of their sex from people who are trying to end sexism... its mindbogglingly incoherent

The thing that some people don't understand is that there's a big gap between the extremes.  

"Believe women" doesn't mean believe every single woman regardless of their claims.  No one has claimed that woman's claims are a replacement for investigation.  The point is that someone's claims shouldn't simply be dismissed, (nor believed without evidence) but investigated.  

But the term "Believe women" is an extreme on itself that only focusses on one part of the problem as it only envelops one gender.

And if a term focusses on a problem that is common for both genders but chooses to only focus on one side of it then it can even be considered sexist,and it is a fractured point to make when you start it with dividing people.

Edit: everyone knows that people claims should not simple be dismissed nor believed without evidence but investigated but that is only logical and does not connect to the separation of genders within that term you defend so can you atleast explain why a "believe women" or a believe men" is needed but not just "believe people" ?

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the-pi-guy said:
Immersiveunreality said:

But the term "Believe women" is an extreme on itself that only focusses on one part of the problem as it only envelops one gender.

And if a term focusses on a problem that is common for both genders but chooses to only focus on one side of it then it can even be considered sexist,and to make the point you suggest women do not have to be singled out for it.

Some people think that those types of movements should be driven for the people that need them most.  (I don't agree with that though.)
They're not saying that men don't also have those issues, but that women tend to struggle with those kinds of things a bit more.  

The only reason I would consider a movement sexist for only focussing on one side, is if people on a side tend to diminish the bigger part of the issue.  

If people from a movement dedicated to men being open about being raped, started attacking women who got raped, then I'd at least start to question their intentions, I could see that movement being considered sexist.  

Bolded: Nothing scientific to ever prove that claim,only emotions and even that thought can be considered sexist.If i tell you men tend to struggle more with those kind of things and maybe make a group of people to follow me would that be enough incentive for you to believe it?

Believe women is a slogan and not a movement,it is used by the overused "me too" movement but that does not make that slogan a movement.



SpokenTruth said:

This week in US politics.

US Department of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos is cutting her departments annual grant of $15-18 million to the Special Olympics all while pushing for a $60 million increase in private charter school funding.

Pennsylvania state Representative Stephanie Borowicz gave a "God forgive us prayer" on the House floor prior to the swearing in of Movita Johnson-Harrell, the first Muslim women to join the state House.

Alabama Congressman Mo Brooks reads from Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' on the House floor in an attempt to denigrate Democrats and their democratic socialist polices.

The NRA was caught on camera by an undercover fake gun rights group attempting to donate $10-20 million to a real anti-Muslim Australian political party to buy 8 political seats in the Australian government.  Only relevant because the NRA is a US group.

Senator Mike Lee from Utah tried to downplay the democrat's Green New Deal by using pictures of a tauntaun from Star Wars, AquaMan, babies and even former president Ronald Reagan with a rocket launcher strapped to his back, shooting an Uzi while riding a velociraptor who is carrying a war torn US flag.

"US Department of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos is cutting her departments annual grant of $15-18 million to the Special Olympics"

she's probably just trying to suppress the creation of unnatural hierarchies where there are a few winners and many many losers, so you should be in support of this

"Alabama Congressman Mo Brooks reads from Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' on the House floor in an attempt to denigrate Democrats and their democratic socialist polices."

how could he do that? this makes it sound like some of the policies of the democrats are similar to those of hitler

"Pennsylvania state Representative Stephanie Borowicz gave a "God forgive us prayer" on the House floor prior to the swearing in of Movita Johnson-Harrell, the first Muslim women to join the state House."

and i suppose the muslim lady is just naturally more tolerant of christians because we all know how much more tolerant islam is in general

"Senator Mike Lee from Utah tried to downplay the democrat's Green New Deal by using pictures of a tauntaun from Star Wars, AquaMan, babies and even former president Ronald Reagan with a rocket launcher strapped to his back, shooting an Uzi while riding a velociraptor who is carrying a war torn US flag."

...its what you call a joke



the-pi-guy said:

Immersiveunreality said:

Bolded: Nothing scientific to ever prove that claim,only emotions and even that thought can be considered sexist.

Women are probably believed more on average, but they're definitely much more likely to be raped.  

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/sexual-assault-victims/

Immersiveunreality said:

If i tell you men tend to struggle more with those kind of things and maybe make a group of people to follow me would that be enough incentive for you to believe it?

Depends on how you framed it.  

I'd believe that the average woman has a harder time than the average man.  But the average male rape victim could have a harder time than the average female rape victim.  (Would be kind of terrible to try to quantify "harder time", but I digress...)

If you had something stronger than that, I'd need some proof.

Immersiveunreality said:

Believe women is a slogan and not a movement,it is used by the overused "me too" movement but that does not make that slogan a movement.

Right

First bolded: My heart goes out for all of the victims and i would say that women have the "weaker" Physical build of the 2 genders and that could translate in more victims but women also tend to report alot more while men on the otherhand tend to keep quiet about it,so yeah i partly agree with that but not with the source you have your info from because it is not a source but a translation from mostly only female writers and first thing i noticed was that Trump reference ?

On the other hand ,even when women have a weaker physical build it says nothing about abusement in a relationship itself and abusive women tend to mentally abuse their men and break them to the point they  can not defend themselves physically when receiving physical abuse and it is not baked into our culture for men to report that so i still think"believe women" is unneeded division of genders for this topic.

Second bolded:I can just ask the same of you,"i need some proof" and till now there is nothing concrete yet just "believe" like you said.



SpokenTruth said:

Trump was at his Trumpiest at a campaign rally (yes, a 2020 presidential campaign rally already) in Michigan yesterday.

If Hillary got in... you'd be doing wind. Windmills. Weeeee.

And if it doesn't blow, you can forget about television for that night.

'Darling, I want to watch television.' 'I'm sorry! The wind isn't blowing.'

I know a lot about wind.

I had to read that a couple of times before I understood the general sentiment he was going for. This is borderline incoherent. It's rants like these that make me question if he might not maybe have dementia.