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SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

Then why did they build it at all? Why didn't they plan for what could happen and make adjustments so it wouldn't happen?

Did the designer and builders of the Titanic know the absolute worst scenario? Did they build it anyway? What about the designers and builders of the WTC towers? Did they build it anyway? Did they know everything that could happen? Why didn't they design and plan for that, or refuse to be part of the projects? If they didn't why should I know?

I have to repost this.

What exactly is your purpose with this dialog? What are you hoping to achieve? What is your solution to fighting climate change and providing adequate power?

I think it's clear at this point he has no solutions, he has no discourse, and he has no thoughts on the matter, he just likes being disingenuous and writing a whole lot for the sake of getting a reaction without any real desire for positive change. 

There's a term for that, but we're not allowed to use it here. 



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Runa216 said:
SpokenTruth said:

I have to repost this.

What exactly is your purpose with this dialog? What are you hoping to achieve? What is your solution to fighting climate change and providing adequate power?

I think it's clear at this point he has no solutions, he has no discourse, and he has no thoughts on the matter, he just likes being disingenuous and writing a whole lot for the sake of getting a reaction without any real desire for positive change. 

There's a term for that, but we're not allowed to use it here. 

I shall call them "intentional obfuscators".



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Ka-pi96 said:
EricHiggin said:

Here's a start.

I take it trying out Trump as Prez wasn't a problem then, since nobody knew exactly what would happen if he took office?

I'd argue that's more the danger of putting giant magnifying glasses above cities rather than using solar power. Fortunately solar power doesn't require that we affix giant magnifying glasses above cities so no need to worry there.

What's your point? Are you trying to argue that Trump shouldn't have been allowed to run in the election at all just because of what "might" happen if he gets elected? Because that's how you end up with dictatorships and totalitarianism. Dictators scared that somebody might beat them in an election so they just don't have elections at all. Is that what you're advocating? Stop having elections full stop just because there's a possibility somebody bad will get elected?

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Plus our latest clean energy experiment. I wonder where we got this 'non nuclear', 'non solar' idea from?

-"Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound right now? You're basically arguing that "we shouldn't do something just because some people might do something bad with it". It's also massively ironic that you're advocating for nuclear power at the same time as arguing that."

You mean people shouldn't have voted for Trump because he and his admin might do something bad with their power? So nobody should vote for anybody because they might do something bad with the power? Seemed like plenty of people were for and against Trump or Hillary. So who's justified and who's not?



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Ka-pi96 said:
EricHiggin said:

So why did they build Chernobyl in the first place, knowing the disaster that may occur? Did they know? If they did, well, they still built it and got away with it, until it became a problem. If they didn't, or thought the potential hazards weren't as bad as they ended up being, then who's to say solar couldn't end up being a problem in it's own way as well? I highly doubt the workers who built the plant knew what could happen, and finding public information about how there was likely an event like that being even remotely possible isn't worth looking for because who would go along with something like that knowing the trouble it could cause? I mean, why do you think there has been such a big scare over nuclear for decades now, and why fewer and fewer plants get built? Humans can't see the future. When we build things, we don't know everything that could happen, and we don't even know exactly how things will react to certain events that we know are possible. The best we can do is guess based on some tests and analysis and go from there. I mean, until the twin towers collapsed, there wasn't a problem with how they were built. Why did they build the replacement Freedom Tower like a tank? How is it that the Titanic sank? Unsinkable?

That's not a worthy argument either. Just because we can? Really? Could we end wars? Could we end starvation? Could we end poverty? Why don't we? Business, money, politics, ego, greed, etc. The biggest reason we do things is because we are forced to out of necessity, not because its the 'right' thing to do.

Given that nuclear power was an offshoot of the project to develop nuclear weapons... they would have had to have been complete idiots to not have known that there was the potential for a huge disaster. And considering more nuclear plants have been built since then as well the whole "they didn't know that could happen" excuse really does sound even more ridiculous.

Now name the times solar power was used to create a bomb. I mean, you're the one trying to compare the two and the fact is we knew nuclear power was dangerous since it was used in bombs from literally the moment it was discovered. Can you say the same about solar power?

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound right now? You're basically arguing that "we shouldn't do something just because some people might do something bad with it". It's also massively ironic that you're advocating for nuclear power at the same time as arguing that.

Clearly, Trump should let Iran develop its nuclear plan so they don't switch to extremely dangerous solar energy instead.



SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

Then why did they build it at all? Why didn't they plan for what could happen and make adjustments so it wouldn't happen?

Did the designer and builders of the Titanic know the absolute worst scenario? Did they build it anyway? What about the designers and builders of the WTC towers? Did they build it anyway? Did they know everything that could happen? Why didn't they design and plan for that, or refuse to be part of the projects? If they didn't why should I know?

I have to repost this.

What exactly is your purpose with this dialog? What are you hoping to achieve? What is your solution to fighting climate change and providing adequate power?

So I have to repost this then, I guess?

SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

So fill up existing farmland with renewables to save tree's and build roads to cut down the Rainforests to replace the filled up farmland?

What exactly is your purpose with this dialog?  What are you hoping to achieve?  What is your solution to fighting climate change and providing adequate power?

EricHiggin said:
SpokenTruth said:

What exactly is your purpose with this dialog?  What are you hoping to achieve?  What is your solution to fighting climate change and providing adequate power?

I don't understand the question. My point is what's your solution to feed the world and create clean energy without negatively impacting each other?

SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

I don't understand the question. My point is what's your solution to feed the world and create clean energy without negatively impacting each other?

Answer mine and I'll answer yours.

EricHiggin said:
SpokenTruth said:

Answer mine and I'll answer yours.

Thanks for making my overall point.

Shift the problem from climate change to food supply, which of course will become the next problem to be solved, because you created it by filling up farmland with renewables to 'save the trees', meanwhile just as many tree's or more are being cut down to make up for the used up farmland and increasing demand.

Then shift the conversation to make it seem like I'm the environmentalist trying to save the world, when really that's the side you're taking, while I'm just pointing out it's not going to work because you're just shifting the problem to something else, yet you want a solution from me, when you're the one with the solutions apparently.

Shifting (the blame) doesn't solve problems. If anything, it ends up creating more.



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True social law, in all of us demand.
With cattle farts, we view sea rise,
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Our healthcare is yours free!
Science save our land, harnessing the breeze,
Oh planet Earth, smoke weed and ferment yeast.
Oh planet Earth, ell gee bee queue and tee.

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EricHiggin said:
Ka-pi96 said:

I'd argue that's more the danger of putting giant magnifying glasses above cities rather than using solar power. Fortunately solar power doesn't require that we affix giant magnifying glasses above cities so no need to worry there.

What's your point? Are you trying to argue that Trump shouldn't have been allowed to run in the election at all just because of what "might" happen if he gets elected? Because that's how you end up with dictatorships and totalitarianism. Dictators scared that somebody might beat them in an election so they just don't have elections at all. Is that what you're advocating? Stop having elections full stop just because there's a possibility somebody bad will get elected?

Big boy version. Quickest KFC cooker on the planet, or maybe KFB is better suited.

Plus our latest clean energy experiment. I wonder where we got this 'non nuclear', 'non solar' idea from?

-"Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound right now? You're basically arguing that "we shouldn't do something just because some people might do something bad with it". It's also massively ironic that you're advocating for nuclear power at the same time as arguing that."

You mean people shouldn't have voted for Trump because he and his admin might do something bad with their power? So nobody should vote for anybody because they might do something bad with the power? Seemed like plenty of people were for and against Trump or Hillary. So who's justified and who's not?

That's what I was asking you...



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EricHiggin said:
Ka-pi96 said:

I'd argue that's more the danger of putting giant magnifying glasses above cities rather than using solar power. Fortunately solar power doesn't require that we affix giant magnifying glasses above cities so no need to worry there.

What's your point? Are you trying to argue that Trump shouldn't have been allowed to run in the election at all just because of what "might" happen if he gets elected? Because that's how you end up with dictatorships and totalitarianism. Dictators scared that somebody might beat them in an election so they just don't have elections at all. Is that what you're advocating? Stop having elections full stop just because there's a possibility somebody bad will get elected?

Big boy version. Quickest KFC cooker on the planet, or maybe KFB is better suited.

Plus our latest clean energy experiment. I wonder where we got this 'non nuclear', 'non solar' idea from?

How is nuclear fusion a "non-nuclear" form of energy? 



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EricHiggin said:
SpokenTruth said:

I have to repost this.

What exactly is your purpose with this dialog? What are you hoping to achieve? What is your solution to fighting climate change and providing adequate power?

So I have to repost this then, I guess?

SpokenTruth said:

What exactly is your purpose with this dialog?  What are you hoping to achieve?  What is your solution to fighting climate change and providing adequate power?

EricHiggin said:

I don't understand the question. My point is what's your solution to feed the world and create clean energy without negatively impacting each other?

SpokenTruth said:

Answer mine and I'll answer yours.

EricHiggin said:

Thanks for making my overall point.

Shift the problem from climate change to food supply, which of course will become the next problem to be solved, because you created it by filling up farmland with renewables to 'save the trees', meanwhile just as many tree's or more are being cut down to make up for the used up farmland and increasing demand.

Then shift the conversation to make it seem like I'm the environmentalist trying to save the world, when really that's the side you're taking, while I'm just pointing out it's not going to work because you're just shifting the problem to something else, yet you want a solution from me, when you're the one with the solutions apparently.

Shifting (the blame) doesn't solve problems. If anything, it ends up creating more.

So you don't have a purpose other than to disrupt functional dialog.  And you don't have an idea for reducing climate change nor providing adequate power.

And you clearly have no idea how a solar farm functions nor what nuclear fusion is.



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LurkerJ said:

Please don't perpetuate that hatemongering idiot's opinions. Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, and so, SO many other Fox/republican personalites are just so goddamn toxic and wrong and ignorant and stupid and wrong about everything always. 



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