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Ka-pi96 said:
DarkD said:

Universal healthcare gives healthcare to more people true, but it also provides a lower standard of care.  Because universal healthcare forces hospitals to be as cheap as possible.  

Not really. Public healthcare is definitely a higher standard than no healthcare. And for those that pay to use private healthcare... well you could still do that! The existence of a public healthcare system doesn't mean you have to use it. You can still pay more for private healthcare and get a better standard if you want to/can afford to.

It would probably make private healthcare cheaper too. One of the side effects of having cheaper (albeit lower quality) competition rather than the alternative just being death.

Sure, I just don't like people using misleading taglines.  I'm actually for universal healthcare. 

Like 80% of the left's policies aren't anywhere NEAR as convincing as CNN and the DNC makes them out to be when you get a detailed explanation. Often they're supported by the same type of studies anti-vaxxers and other quack medicine uses.  

I'm more about 

-illegalizing trans hormone blockers before puberty.

-pro nuclear power

-pro free speech

-against antifa violence (violence is literally their policy)

-against solar and wind power (horrible for the environment)

Honestly I'm not even conservative.  I just can't stand the rhetoric from the left this cycle.  It's literally THICK with provable lies.  Calling everyone and their mother nazi's.  Phony impeachment.  Bending over backwards to gain votes from the extreme left.  Cancel culture.  Forced politics in entertainment.  Blaming literally everything in the world on white men.  Lying about evidence to make global warming sound worse than it is.  



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DarkD said:

-against solar and wind power (horrible for the environment)

Why?



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DarkD said:

Bofferbrauer2 said:

The DNC is just trying to get down to Trumps level. But you're right, they have a loooong way to go to reach that low...

The moment Antifa made their debut and democrats refused to denounce them, they far exceeded Trumps level.  Refusing to denounce a group that says "we're not gonna debate anymore, we're just going to hit everyone we disagree with", I find democrats repulsive right now.  

I didn't want Trump to win in 2016, but with where democrats have gone since, I refuse to support them.  The man has had a shameful past, but the only thing he's guilty of now is running his mouth.  So who cares. 

Obama and Bush were both worse presidents given how many pointless wars they started that got so many innocent people killed.  

Looks like you fell right into the Alt-right/4chan trap:

https://www.gq.com/story/fake-antifa-accounts

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59dwed/a-fake-antifa-account-was-busted-for-tweeting-from-russia-vgtrn

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/fake-antifa-twitter-accounts#.xxvlPaj7Lv

https://www.salon.com/test/2017/08/24/antifa-punchwhitewomen-campaign-revealed-as-4chan-hoax/

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/fake-antifa-punch-women-4chan-hoax/

Most of these actions are actually false-flag operations to paint Antifa in a very negative light. I do agree that violence is not the answer, and they had some violent outbursts, which I highly condemn - but as historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat puts it: Throwing a Milkshake at someone ain't the same as killing someone. Also, most of the violence actually comes from defending other people from Neonazis and the like: https://www.democracynow.org/2017/8/14/cornel_west_rev_toni_blackmon_clergy

Also,what war did Obama start? He inherited several wars from Bush (Afgahnistan, Irak) and intervened into some existing wars (Syria and Libya, to stop ISIS) , but started? None actually. And he started his tenure by talking with Saudi-Arabia, Iran, Cuba, to avoid coming wars - but those talks of Obama got demonized as much by right-wing media as they praised Trump for trying to do the same with North Korea (unsuccessfully, since they neither stopped they nuclear weapons program or their rocket tests). And praise they do, just look how they described Obama at Fox News at the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-cZG81-MPQ

Fits much more to Trump I'd say - but Fox would never treat him like they treated Obama.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Snoopy said:

Trump is guarantee to have another 4 years. Democrats have show how immature they truly are and they have no answer to the Donald.

The DNC is just trying to get down to Trumps level. But you're right, they have a loooong way to go to reach that low...

Low like the current unemployment rate? Thank you Donald 



Snoopy said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

The DNC is just trying to get down to Trumps level. But you're right, they have a loooong way to go to reach that low...

Low like the current unemployment rate? Thank you Donald 

Tell us again what he is doing that's so special that wasn't already being done for the past decade.

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SpokenTruth said:
Snoopy said:

Low like the current unemployment rate? Thank you Donald 

Tell us again what he is doing that's so special that wasn't already being done for the past decade.

Going by that graph, looks like when Republicans take control the economy does well. Kind of like the comparison between California and Texas. Also there are more jobs than workers vs 10% unemployment rate under Obama and the Demorats. Thank you Donald and Republicans for saving our Country.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-u-s-has-1-million-more-job-openings-than-unemployed-workers/



DarkD said:

Universal healthcare gives healthcare to more people true, but it also provides a lower standard of care.  

Actually, it provides a higher standard of care. Having more patients requires better staff, superior technology, and greater efficiency to deal with the increased workload.  Plus it avails the full range of options for treating patients, to all patients, as insurance companies lose their ability to impose arbitrary limitations and deny care.   



KLAMarine said:
the-pi-guy said:

He's exaggerating to make a point. 

Looks more like a quoting of Trump:

Trump's claim that 'immigrants cause all the crime'.

Hopefully Runa can clear things up soon...

Runa216 said:

Runa shouldn't have to explain how language works.

DarkD said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Not really. Public healthcare is definitely a higher standard than no healthcare. And for those that pay to use private healthcare... well you could still do that! The existence of a public healthcare system doesn't mean you have to use it. You can still pay more for private healthcare and get a better standard if you want to/can afford to.

It would probably make private healthcare cheaper too. One of the side effects of having cheaper (albeit lower quality) competition rather than the alternative just being death.

Sure, I just don't like people using misleading taglines.  I'm actually for universal healthcare. 

Like 80% of the left's policies aren't anywhere NEAR as convincing as CNN and the DNC makes them out to be when you get a detailed explanation. Often they're supported by the same type of studies anti-vaxxers and other quack medicine uses.  

I'm more about 

-illegalizing trans hormone blockers before puberty.

-pro nuclear power

-pro free speech

-against antifa violence (violence is literally their policy)

-against solar and wind power (horrible for the environment)

Honestly I'm not even conservative.  I just can't stand the rhetoric from the left this cycle.  It's literally THICK with provable lies.  Calling everyone and their mother nazi's.  Phony impeachment.  Bending over backwards to gain votes from the extreme left.  Cancel culture.  Forced politics in entertainment.  Blaming literally everything in the world on white men.  Lying about evidence to make global warming sound worse than it is.  

Based on your post, your only exposure to leftist is through Breitbart and 4chan. 

Doubt you've ever had a honest attempt to understand a leftists's viewpoint 



Snoopy said:
SpokenTruth said:

Tell us again what he is doing that's so special that wasn't already being done for the past decade.

Going by that graph, looks like Republicans take control when the economy does well. Kind of like the comparison between California and Texas. Also there are more jobs than workers vs 10% unemployment rate under Obama and the Demorats. Thank you Donald and Republicans for saving our Country.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-u-s-has-1-million-more-job-openings-than-unemployed-workers/

Corrected.

And then they wreck it Like Bush wrecked the economy in 2007 and Obama inherited his wrecked economy and had to clean up his entire tenure.

Also as you can see, Obama brought the unemployment down to below 5% already. That's not Trump magically eliminating the unemployment, he inherited low unemployment. Same did Bush from Clinton btw. 



the-pi-guy said:
KLAMarine said:

Looks more like a quoting of Trump:

Trump's claim that 'immigrants cause all the crime'.

Hopefully Runa can clear things up soon...

Runa shouldn't have to explain how language works.

If anyone is going to explain how Runa's post works, it should be Runa. I can't think of anyone else more qualified.

Or he could let his silence speak for itself. Not an advisable course of action since his claim will go on unsubstantiated.