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Jaicee said:

Hey, here's something political that is American:

Man upset he can't bring cutout of Donald Trump to dialysis

You're welcome, VGC!

" A Florida man undergoing kidney dialysis three times a week"

"The family said they aren’t sure when Gibson will return for treatment."

Killing yourself to own the libs.

Although I find a high level of humor in the guy clearly in desperate need of healthcare wanting a full sized cut out of the man trying to take away that healthcare.



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Snoopy said:

Trump is guarantee to have another 4 years. Democrats have show how immature they truly are and they have no answer to the Donald.

The DNC is just trying to get down to Trumps level. But you're right, they have a loooong way to go to reach that low...

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Runa216 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

So to some extent we all support bigotry because no matter the way you vote there will be people being victimized and that support does change in proportion if you count in the intent imo,at the end of the road those people that voted wrongly while having good intent will still have a welcoming heart to others.

The way that is spoken about Trumpvoters is a bit ridiculous,overblown regressive and stupid,the minority of trumpvoters that are haters get projected on all of them and you wont get them switching camps like that,if that is not the goal it is just worthless to anything but yourself and the sameminded.

Bolded: I'm happy to read that,i might just be focussing on you posting in political discussions but there is rarely a positive sparkle in the post you make about these kind of things so i risked to assume you had such a mindset and that might have been wrong,anyway i think differently than you about the group of people you talk a lot about in this thread but that could be partly life experience and perception.

On a side note: If you do not want to be a part of those horrible fundamental truths yourself it would be hard to keep living in our western society.

There's actually a really strange point to be made, here. See, You don't see the good things I want to say because I don't feel the NEED to praise or be positive all the time when it comes to a lot of things. If there's a topic where everyone's happy, I don't need to interfere or put in my two cents becuase it'd just be another opinion in a sea of positive opinions. It'll look like an echo chamber and I don't want to perpetuate that. 

Hell, I even think that games, movies, TV, and literature are also all pretty awesome. Gaming is better today than it has been for the majority of my life, Movies are more respectful of their audiences and risky than they've been for years, TV is more risky and fun and engaging than it ever has been, and books and other forms of media are all going through boom periods. almost all of this is due to the technological infrastructure we have with streaming and online functionality that gets more accessibility to more audiences, thus ensuring there's something for everyone. Games used to JUST be one-and-done games or ones that never end. they USED to be simple affairs in different, easily segmentable genres based on gameplay styles and such. Now, we have indies and blockbuster games and online games and free to play games and mobile games and singleplayer games that can be any blend of genres and styles you could fathom. Yeah, microtransactions and loot boxes are objectively terrible...but they only account for like less than 5% of the gaming industry. Stuff like Netflix and Hulu gives creators FAR more freedom to make unique and quirky film and TV that you'd NEVER see in the past. 

My point is, in many ways, the world is better now than it has ever been. 

When it comes to world poverty rates, war, scientific progress, crime, and all that jazz, we're doing better than we ever have been. You'd never know it since media is a business and stoking the flames of drama and sharing negative news that gets people angry pays the bills and gets the hits, but the reality is that things are actually pretty good. Corporations are shit and politics are less about doing the right thing and more about fighting the opposition, but things are actually pretty good in the grand scheme of things. When it comes to human rights, progression in terms of gender, sexuality, or ethnical equality, we've come so remarkably far in the last 20 years it's kind of astounding. we're making so much progress and the world is SO much better for SO many people it's insane, and I love it. That's why I get so angry in these political threads. All I see is a rather large contingent of people boldly and aggressively shouting that Muslims are subhuman in a world where a simple google search can actually give you all the information you need regarding REAL statistics on extremism rates and comparisons to other religions. People say that Gays ruin families when any search at all will provide you with all the data to see that no, that is unequivocally not the case. 

I'm always upset in these threads becuase we collectively should know better. I see entirely too many instances of people - especially those on the political right - fearmongering and hatemongering and making claims and saying stupid shit that SOUNDS reasonable if you don't actually put any thought into it but fall apart at the most rudimentary research. And yet, despite their claims being obnoxiously easy to disprove, their voices carry becuase while people are smart they're also so, profoundly stupid and easily manipulated. Someone screaming 'Autism is caused by vaccines' or 'the earth is flat' is so patently ridiculous that any normal, reasonable, intelligent person can easily dismiss it as the nonsense it is, yet people's inherent fears perpetuate it. The same can be said for stuff like Trump's claim that 'immigrants cause all the crime'. IT's factually, provably, astoundingly wrong...but people still believe it becuase it's easier to blame illegal immigrants - thus creating an us vs them tribalistic mentality - than it is to actually delve into the research and find the underlying problems in this world to fix it. 

Climate Change, wealth inequality, bigotry in all its forms, and so many other global factors are being stunted from having any progress done to them becuase of a vocal, shockingly large contingent of people don't WANT to fix them or don't WANT to take responsibility and thus deny their importance. People like RJTM1991 and EricHiggin and a handful of others on this forum are actively making the world a worse place by pushing their stunningly wrong stances on so many matters and muddying the water by clouding the judgement of others and I find that absolutely appalling. 

Not only are they not helping, they demonize those who actually want to do something about it, and that's abhorrent behaviour. 

I am positive on the whole about humanity becuase we clearly have so much potential and can do so much, which is exactly why there's no excuse for so much of today's problems to continue to exist. Bigotry is only a problem becuase the vocal minority who believes that all muslims are terrorists or that black people are more prone to crime or that the Chinese are gonna take over the world speak louder. Climate change is a problem becuase 'skeptics' keep pushing false narratives and acting like the 'skeptic' community has ANY science supporting their side, when it just doesn't. Fearmongering and HAtemongering are far easier to perpetuate than truth, becuase truth requires you to put in hard work to learn and understand. 

Which is why I'm so persistently angry about politics. 

And to make it worse, virtually anything I've said in this post could be turned around by someone dedicated enough to make it sound like I'm some tyrant trying to silence people or take away freedoms. I'm certainly not doing that, but if I had to choose between redneck mcmexicansterkerjerbs' having the right to wear a KKK uniform and protest trans rights vs solving climate change and fixing wealth inequality...well, dumb people kinda have to get out of the way and stop resisting positive change. I'm sick of the vocal minority ruining it for everyone else. and I'm even more sick of the fact that SOMEOnE will try to turn that around and use it as an excuse to disrespect minorities that are actually oppressed or mistreated. 

"Trump's claim that 'immigrants cause all the crime'"

>When did Trump claim this?



KLAMarine said:
Runa216 said:

There's actually a really strange point to be made, here. See, You don't see the good things I want to say because I don't feel the NEED to praise or be positive all the time when it comes to a lot of things. If there's a topic where everyone's happy, I don't need to interfere or put in my two cents becuase it'd just be another opinion in a sea of positive opinions. It'll look like an echo chamber and I don't want to perpetuate that. 

Hell, I even think that games, movies, TV, and literature are also all pretty awesome. Gaming is better today than it has been for the majority of my life, Movies are more respectful of their audiences and risky than they've been for years, TV is more risky and fun and engaging than it ever has been, and books and other forms of media are all going through boom periods. almost all of this is due to the technological infrastructure we have with streaming and online functionality that gets more accessibility to more audiences, thus ensuring there's something for everyone. Games used to JUST be one-and-done games or ones that never end. they USED to be simple affairs in different, easily segmentable genres based on gameplay styles and such. Now, we have indies and blockbuster games and online games and free to play games and mobile games and singleplayer games that can be any blend of genres and styles you could fathom. Yeah, microtransactions and loot boxes are objectively terrible...but they only account for like less than 5% of the gaming industry. Stuff like Netflix and Hulu gives creators FAR more freedom to make unique and quirky film and TV that you'd NEVER see in the past. 

My point is, in many ways, the world is better now than it has ever been. 

When it comes to world poverty rates, war, scientific progress, crime, and all that jazz, we're doing better than we ever have been. You'd never know it since media is a business and stoking the flames of drama and sharing negative news that gets people angry pays the bills and gets the hits, but the reality is that things are actually pretty good. Corporations are shit and politics are less about doing the right thing and more about fighting the opposition, but things are actually pretty good in the grand scheme of things. When it comes to human rights, progression in terms of gender, sexuality, or ethnical equality, we've come so remarkably far in the last 20 years it's kind of astounding. we're making so much progress and the world is SO much better for SO many people it's insane, and I love it. That's why I get so angry in these political threads. All I see is a rather large contingent of people boldly and aggressively shouting that Muslims are subhuman in a world where a simple google search can actually give you all the information you need regarding REAL statistics on extremism rates and comparisons to other religions. People say that Gays ruin families when any search at all will provide you with all the data to see that no, that is unequivocally not the case. 

I'm always upset in these threads becuase we collectively should know better. I see entirely too many instances of people - especially those on the political right - fearmongering and hatemongering and making claims and saying stupid shit that SOUNDS reasonable if you don't actually put any thought into it but fall apart at the most rudimentary research. And yet, despite their claims being obnoxiously easy to disprove, their voices carry becuase while people are smart they're also so, profoundly stupid and easily manipulated. Someone screaming 'Autism is caused by vaccines' or 'the earth is flat' is so patently ridiculous that any normal, reasonable, intelligent person can easily dismiss it as the nonsense it is, yet people's inherent fears perpetuate it. The same can be said for stuff like Trump's claim that 'immigrants cause all the crime'. IT's factually, provably, astoundingly wrong...but people still believe it becuase it's easier to blame illegal immigrants - thus creating an us vs them tribalistic mentality - than it is to actually delve into the research and find the underlying problems in this world to fix it. 

Climate Change, wealth inequality, bigotry in all its forms, and so many other global factors are being stunted from having any progress done to them becuase of a vocal, shockingly large contingent of people don't WANT to fix them or don't WANT to take responsibility and thus deny their importance. People like RJTM1991 and EricHiggin and a handful of others on this forum are actively making the world a worse place by pushing their stunningly wrong stances on so many matters and muddying the water by clouding the judgement of others and I find that absolutely appalling. 

Not only are they not helping, they demonize those who actually want to do something about it, and that's abhorrent behaviour. 

I am positive on the whole about humanity becuase we clearly have so much potential and can do so much, which is exactly why there's no excuse for so much of today's problems to continue to exist. Bigotry is only a problem becuase the vocal minority who believes that all muslims are terrorists or that black people are more prone to crime or that the Chinese are gonna take over the world speak louder. Climate change is a problem becuase 'skeptics' keep pushing false narratives and acting like the 'skeptic' community has ANY science supporting their side, when it just doesn't. Fearmongering and HAtemongering are far easier to perpetuate than truth, becuase truth requires you to put in hard work to learn and understand. 

Which is why I'm so persistently angry about politics. 

And to make it worse, virtually anything I've said in this post could be turned around by someone dedicated enough to make it sound like I'm some tyrant trying to silence people or take away freedoms. I'm certainly not doing that, but if I had to choose between redneck mcmexicansterkerjerbs' having the right to wear a KKK uniform and protest trans rights vs solving climate change and fixing wealth inequality...well, dumb people kinda have to get out of the way and stop resisting positive change. I'm sick of the vocal minority ruining it for everyone else. and I'm even more sick of the fact that SOMEOnE will try to turn that around and use it as an excuse to disrespect minorities that are actually oppressed or mistreated. 

"Trump's claim that 'immigrants cause all the crime'"

>When did Trump claim this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech



the-pi-guy said:
KLAMarine said:

"Trump's claim that 'immigrants cause all the crime'"

>When did Trump claim this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech

I'm afraid I'm not following. Please explain.



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Bandorr said:

Although I find a high level of humor in the guy clearly in desperate need of healthcare wanting a full sized cut out of the man trying to take away that healthcare

I am really sick of people using slogans that are clearly half true and using them to boost their platforms.  

Universal healthcare gives healthcare to more people true, but it also provides a lower standard of care.  Because universal healthcare forces hospitals to be as cheap as possible.  

Bofferbrauer2 said:

The DNC is just trying to get down to Trumps level. But you're right, they have a loooong way to go to reach that low...

The moment Antifa made their debut and democrats refused to denounce them, they far exceeded Trumps level.  Refusing to denounce a group that says "we're not gonna debate anymore, we're just going to hit everyone we disagree with", I find democrats repulsive right now.  

I didn't want Trump to win in 2016, but with where democrats have gone since, I refuse to support them.  The man has had a shameful past, but the only thing he's guilty of now is running his mouth.  So who cares. 

Obama and Bush were both worse presidents given how many pointless wars they started that got so many innocent people killed.  

Last edited by DarkD - on 15 February 2020

KLAMarine said:
the-pi-guy said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech

I'm afraid I'm not following. Please explain.

He's exaggerating to make a point. 



the-pi-guy said:
KLAMarine said:

I'm afraid I'm not following. Please explain.

He's exaggerating to make a point. 

Looks more like a quoting of Trump:

Trump's claim that 'immigrants cause all the crime'.

Hopefully Runa can clear things up soon...

Runa216 said:

There's actually a really strange point to be made, here. See, You don't see the good things I want to say because I don't feel the NEED to praise or be positive all the time when it comes to a lot of things. If there's a topic where everyone's happy, I don't need to interfere or put in my two cents becuase it'd just be another opinion in a sea of positive opinions. It'll look like an echo chamber and I don't want to perpetuate that. 

Hell, I even think that games, movies, TV, and literature are also all pretty awesome. Gaming is better today than it has been for the majority of my life, Movies are more respectful of their audiences and risky than they've been for years, TV is more risky and fun and engaging than it ever has been, and books and other forms of media are all going through boom periods. almost all of this is due to the technological infrastructure we have with streaming and online functionality that gets more accessibility to more audiences, thus ensuring there's something for everyone. Games used to JUST be one-and-done games or ones that never end. they USED to be simple affairs in different, easily segmentable genres based on gameplay styles and such. Now, we have indies and blockbuster games and online games and free to play games and mobile games and singleplayer games that can be any blend of genres and styles you could fathom. Yeah, microtransactions and loot boxes are objectively terrible...but they only account for like less than 5% of the gaming industry. Stuff like Netflix and Hulu gives creators FAR more freedom to make unique and quirky film and TV that you'd NEVER see in the past. 

My point is, in many ways, the world is better now than it has ever been. 

When it comes to world poverty rates, war, scientific progress, crime, and all that jazz, we're doing better than we ever have been. You'd never know it since media is a business and stoking the flames of drama and sharing negative news that gets people angry pays the bills and gets the hits, but the reality is that things are actually pretty good. Corporations are shit and politics are less about doing the right thing and more about fighting the opposition, but things are actually pretty good in the grand scheme of things. When it comes to human rights, progression in terms of gender, sexuality, or ethnical equality, we've come so remarkably far in the last 20 years it's kind of astounding. we're making so much progress and the world is SO much better for SO many people it's insane, and I love it. That's why I get so angry in these political threads. All I see is a rather large contingent of people boldly and aggressively shouting that Muslims are subhuman in a world where a simple google search can actually give you all the information you need regarding REAL statistics on extremism rates and comparisons to other religions. People say that Gays ruin families when any search at all will provide you with all the data to see that no, that is unequivocally not the case. 

I'm always upset in these threads becuase we collectively should know better. I see entirely too many instances of people - especially those on the political right - fearmongering and hatemongering and making claims and saying stupid shit that SOUNDS reasonable if you don't actually put any thought into it but fall apart at the most rudimentary research. And yet, despite their claims being obnoxiously easy to disprove, their voices carry becuase while people are smart they're also so, profoundly stupid and easily manipulated. Someone screaming 'Autism is caused by vaccines' or 'the earth is flat' is so patently ridiculous that any normal, reasonable, intelligent person can easily dismiss it as the nonsense it is, yet people's inherent fears perpetuate it. The same can be said for stuff like Trump's claim that 'immigrants cause all the crime'. IT's factually, provably, astoundingly wrong...but people still believe it becuase it's easier to blame illegal immigrants - thus creating an us vs them tribalistic mentality - than it is to actually delve into the research and find the underlying problems in this world to fix it. 

Climate Change, wealth inequality, bigotry in all its forms, and so many other global factors are being stunted from having any progress done to them becuase of a vocal, shockingly large contingent of people don't WANT to fix them or don't WANT to take responsibility and thus deny their importance. People like RJTM1991 and EricHiggin and a handful of others on this forum are actively making the world a worse place by pushing their stunningly wrong stances on so many matters and muddying the water by clouding the judgement of others and I find that absolutely appalling. 

Not only are they not helping, they demonize those who actually want to do something about it, and that's abhorrent behaviour. 

I am positive on the whole about humanity becuase we clearly have so much potential and can do so much, which is exactly why there's no excuse for so much of today's problems to continue to exist. Bigotry is only a problem becuase the vocal minority who believes that all muslims are terrorists or that black people are more prone to crime or that the Chinese are gonna take over the world speak louder. Climate change is a problem becuase 'skeptics' keep pushing false narratives and acting like the 'skeptic' community has ANY science supporting their side, when it just doesn't. Fearmongering and HAtemongering are far easier to perpetuate than truth, becuase truth requires you to put in hard work to learn and understand. 

Which is why I'm so persistently angry about politics. 

And to make it worse, virtually anything I've said in this post could be turned around by someone dedicated enough to make it sound like I'm some tyrant trying to silence people or take away freedoms. I'm certainly not doing that, but if I had to choose between redneck mcmexicansterkerjerbs' having the right to wear a KKK uniform and protest trans rights vs solving climate change and fixing wealth inequality...well, dumb people kinda have to get out of the way and stop resisting positive change. I'm sick of the vocal minority ruining it for everyone else. and I'm even more sick of the fact that SOMEOnE will try to turn that around and use it as an excuse to disrespect minorities that are actually oppressed or mistreated. 



the-pi-guy said:
KLAMarine said:

I'm afraid I'm not following. Please explain.

He's exaggerating to make a point. 

It's a side of people i just don't feel the energy anymore for to try to correct,if someone is the bad guy people seem to be happy to ignore those extremities but the absurd part to it is that these people want those that support that supposedly bad guy to listen to them,if that not happens or they make no progress to be willing to soften up their language to reach the conceiving end of their words then i question their sincerity.

That said,i like most of these posters even how unwilling they're are to listen to the ones they try to communicate with.



DarkD said:

Universal healthcare gives healthcare to more people true, but it also provides a lower standard of care.  Because universal healthcare forces hospitals to be as cheap as possible.  

Not really. Public healthcare is definitely a higher standard than no healthcare. And for those that pay to use private healthcare... well you could still do that! The existence of a public healthcare system doesn't mean you have to use it. You can still pay more for private healthcare and get a better standard if you want to/can afford to.

It would probably make private healthcare cheaper too. One of the side effects of having cheaper (albeit lower quality) competition rather than the alternative just being death.



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