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RJTM1991 said:
the-pi-guy said:

>The majority of the poorest areas in the US are predominantly black areas, governed by Democrats? 

Nope.  A lot of the poorest cities are.  They get more notice because they are densely populated.  There are plenty of poor Republicans spread across the country.  The poorest states are run by Republicans.  

>The majority of young black men don't finish high school and can't even read?

Also no.  Like what.  69% finish high school.  The majority finish high school.  

Black people on average fall behind, largely due to economic issues.  

https://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-high-school-graduation-rates-by-race-ethnicity.html

>No wonder Trump's winning.

Where is Trump winning?  

>Liberals try to take the high road when they're guilty of everything that they accuse their opponents of.

The liberals are the reason why those liberals like Weinstein got taken down.  Liberals aren't a mass where everyone shares the same opinion and blame.  We are millions and millions of individuals.  None are perfect.  The better are trying to improve the system to fight sexism and racism.  The worser take advantage of it just like anyone else.  

Liberals aren't the ones who take the high ground.   

Conservatives tend to be the ones that I see who think they are all high and mighty.  

I know Liberals aren't perfect.  A lot of them are just as racist as the conservatives they attack. 

The difference is I don't pretend to be better than conservatives.  I don't pretend to be perfect.  I am not going to say I have no racist or sexist bones in my body.  What I fight for is helping people improve so that we can move past that.  

>The Democratic system has failed black people. Keeping them down, clipping their wings, and brainwashing them into thinking that success isn't an option and that the colour of their skin defines their entire existence.

Considering you believe that the majority of black people don't know how to read, you're not exactly the person I would ask any of that.  

What conservatives don't seem to understand is that liberals are individuals. We don't all share the same opinions.  Many of us would gladly bury other Democrats for when they do wrong.  

I think Bill Clinton likely raped at least one person.  Not all Liberals agree with that.  I would gladly see him go down for that, if he did.  

If you want to have an honest debate you need to understand that liberals are individuals. Several million different individuals with several million different opinions, views and actions.  I'm not a hypocrite just because someone else who calls themselves a liberal has a different opinion.  

Just like a Republican senator pushing the lady who he had an affair with to have an abortion says nothing about other Republicans, Harvey Weinstein being a Democrat says nothing about other Democrats.  

Understand that very basic fact and then maybe you'll be able to have an honest conversation.  

A survey from 2011? Come on, man. And what would those "economic issues" be?

Because the media constantly peddles racism as the root cause. Or gang violence. 

>Liberals don't take the high road

>proceeds to end his reply on his high horse

Political correctness, censorship and cancel culture end that argument. It's well known that Liberals eat their own and would gladly sell out their own brothers and sisters to get a retweet and an applause on social media. Anything to seem righteous. Remember when a student was shamed because she wanted to wear a Chinese dress to her prom? That was the high-and-mighty Liberals and their obsession with "cultural appropriation" there. Remember how Kevin Hart lost a hosting gig because he said some dumb shit years ago? Or what about the NASCAR driver who lost a sponsor because his dad said something stupid on the radio thirty years ago? Shit, just last year they dug-up John Wayne and shamed him.

Liberals took Weinstein down? News to me. Why can't they do anything about the rape gangs?

Here's a more recent survey: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_coi.asp Those economic issues include having to work in high school to help your family, or not getting enough sleep or proper nutrition. I'd also be curious to see what evidence you have that most young black mn in the US are illiterate.  



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Torillian said:
RJTM1991 said:

A survey from 2011? Come on, man. And what would those "economic issues" be?

Because the media constantly peddles racism as the root cause. Or gang violence. 

>Liberals don't take the high road

>proceeds to end his reply on his high horse

Political correctness, censorship and cancel culture end that argument. It's well known that Liberals eat their own and would gladly sell out their own brothers and sisters to get a retweet and an applause on social media. Anything to seem righteous. Remember when a student was shamed because she wanted to wear a Chinese dress to her prom? That was the high-and-mighty Liberals and their obsession with "cultural appropriation" there. Remember how Kevin Hart lost a hosting gig because he said some dumb shit years ago? Or what about the NASCAR driver who lost a sponsor because his dad said something stupid on the radio thirty years ago? Shit, just last year they dug-up John Wayne and shamed him.

Liberals took Weinstein down? News to me. Why can't they do anything about the rape gangs?

Here's a more recent survey: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_coi.asp Those economic issues include having to work in high school to help your family, or not getting enough sleep or proper nutrition. I'd also be curious to see what evidence you have that most young black men in the US are illiterate.  

It was a question, not a statement. Why do Libs love to twist and turn everything?

Anyway, so they're the same issues that most people have to deal with?



RJTM1991 said:
Is it true that...
The majority of the poorest areas in the US are predominantly black areas, governed by Democrats?
The majority of young black men don't finish high school and can't even read?

https://www.businessinsider.com/poorest-states-in-the-us-by-median-household-income-2019-8#2-louisiana-14
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_coi.asp

No. Took all of five minutes on Google.

RJTM1991 said:
So, not only have Democrats totally failed the black community, but they keep them down and docile to secure their vote. Sick shit that. Even the mighty Malcolm X warned against white liberals decades ago. Shame to see that they're still getting away with it.

The party of abortion fetishists, fake feminism, political correctness, censorship, pandering, "minor attracted persons", deep-rooted racism, and cancel culture. No wonder Trump's winning.
RJTM1991 said:
Biggerboat1 said:

Can I ask you an honest question? What exactly are you trying to accomplish with this post? Are you looking to participate in an honest debate with an open mind or are you just looking to put some noses out of joint?

1. An honest debate.

I sincerely doubt that.



RJTM1991 said:
Torillian said:

Here's a more recent survey: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_coi.asp Those economic issues include having to work in high school to help your family, or not getting enough sleep or proper nutrition. I'd also be curious to see what evidence you have that most young black men in the US are illiterate.  

It was a question, not a statement. Why do Libs love to twist and turn everything?

Anyway, so they're the same issues that most people have to deal with?

oh ok, then:

No, everything you asked as a question is just no. 

Let's ask you some questions then. Do you think that financial demographics and the issues I brought up are unrelated?

Further question: Can you tell me what people mean when they say they want an "honest debate" because I think your operating definition differs from the norm. 



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TallSilhouette said:
RJTM1991 said:
Is it true that...
The majority of the poorest areas in the US are predominantly black areas, governed by Democrats?
The majority of young black men don't finish high school and can't even read?

https://www.businessinsider.com/poorest-states-in-the-us-by-median-household-income-2019-8#2-louisiana-14
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_coi.asp

No. Took all of five minutes on Google.

RJTM1991 said:
So, not only have Democrats totally failed the black community, but they keep them down and docile to secure their vote. Sick shit that. Even the mighty Malcolm X warned against white liberals decades ago. Shame to see that they're still getting away with it.

The party of abortion fetishists, fake feminism, political correctness, censorship, pandering, "minor attracted persons", deep-rooted racism, and cancel culture. No wonder Trump's winning.
RJTM1991 said:

1. An honest debate.

I sincerely doubt that.

Think what you want, my man.

I'm not on either side here. Was a Labour guy until political correctness and cancel culture ruined the parade. Can't stand Conservatives either. Too greedy and uncaring. I've read umpteen things online and just wanted to know the truth, that's all. You can get better answers in discussions like these than you can on a Google search.



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RJTM1991 said:

A survey from 2011? Come on, man. 

A 9 year survey is pretty decent.  A lot more accurate than making up numbers.  

RJTM1991 said:

And what would those "economic issues" be?

Because the media constantly peddles racism as the root cause

Black people have to work harder to get a job.

https://hbr.org/2017/10/hiring-discrimination-against-black-americans-hasnt-declined-in-25-years

More likely to be arrested, even when they commit less crime.  More likely to go to jail.  

https://www.aclu.org/issues/smart-justice/sentencing-reform/war-marijuana-black-and-white

This leads to fewer people working jobs.  Then of course it's even harder to get a job.  

The media "constantly peddles racism as the root cause" because that's what the data shows.  

RJTM1991 said:

>Liberals don't take the high road

>proceeds to end his reply on his high horse

Political correctness, censorship and cancel culture end that argument. It's well known that Liberals eat their own and would gladly sell out their own brothers and sisters to get a retweet and an applause on social media. Anything to seem righteous. Remember when a student was shamed because she wanted to wear a Chinese dress to her prom? That was the high-and-mighty Liberals and their obsession with "cultural appropriation" there. Remember how Kevin Hart lost a hosting gig because he said some dumb shit years ago? Or what about the NASCAR driver who lost a sponsor because his dad said something stupid on the radio thirty years ago? Shit, just last year they dug-up John Wayne and shamed him.

Liberals took Weinstein down? News to me. Why can't they do anything about the rape gangs?

>proceeds to end his reply on his high horse

If putting out basic facts is "on my high horse", then sure.  We'll go with that.  

>Political correctness

Conservatives have their own version of political correctness.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/07/the-right-has-its-own-version-of-political-correctness-its-just-as-stifling/

>censorship

The conservatives here do plenty of their own censorship.

https://www.wthr.com/article/ohio-minister-says-hell-sue-nfl-over-super-bowl-54-halftime-show

https://onenewsnow.com/legal-courts/2020/02/09/ex-coach-suing-nfl-over-super-bowl-halftime-porn-show

> That was the high-and-mighty Liberals and their obsession with "cultural appropriation" there.

I know more liberals that shut down the "cultural appropriation" claims than otherwise.  

>Liberals took Weinstein down?

Conservatives aren't exactly supporters of the "MeToo" movement.  

>Why can't they do anything about the rape gangs?

Why can't conservatives do anything about all these rape gangs you keep talking about?

RJTM1991 said:

It was a question, not a statement. Why do Libs love to twist and turn everything?

Anyway, so they're the same issues that most people have to deal with?

It was a question that was packed with a lot of horrific assumptions.  

RJTM1991, are you the guy who beat his wife last week?  

See how that works?  Just an honest question.  

Anyway, so they're the same issues that most people have to deal with?

Sure everybody deals with the same issues.  Not everyone  gets the same chances to overcome those issues.  



https://effectiviology.com/loaded-question/  “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

By saying yes you are agreeing to the premise that at one point you beat your wife. Saying no is even worse.

edit: Trying to edit it so it isn't one long quote for one section is a mess.

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Bandorr said:

https://effectiviology.com/loaded-question/  “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

By saying yes you are agreeing to the premise that at one point you beat your wife. Saying no is even worse.

edit: Trying to edit it so it isn't one long quote for one section is a mess.

Just to add on this: This would be considered a loaded question, especially at a court, something any lawyer worth anything would immediately point out. And as a result, the question would be annulled. Though there is a good answer to that question above: Stating that you never ever in your life have beaten your wife and never would. Any other answer however would be catastrophic as it would give the picture that you beat or have beaten your wife.

Edit: completely missed your link

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RJTM1991 said:
Is it true that...
The majority of the poorest areas in the US are predominantly black areas, governed by Democrats?
The majority of young black men don't finish high school and can't even read?

So, not only have Democrats totally failed the black community, but they keep them down and docile to secure their vote. Sick shit that. Even the mighty Malcolm X warned against white liberals decades ago. Shame to see that they're still getting away with it.

The party of abortion fetishists, fake feminism, political correctness, censorship, pandering, "minor attracted persons", deep-rooted racism, and cancel culture. No wonder Trump's winning.

RJTM1991 said:
Biggerboat1 said:

Can I ask you an honest question? What exactly are you trying to accomplish with this post? Are you looking to participate in an honest debate with an open mind or are you just looking to put some noses out of joint?

Also, do you have any proof that these poor areas would be more successful under Republicans? It takes a lot more to turn around a deeply deprived area than just voting in the party which is most aligned with your interests. The democrats can't just click their fingers and double or triple the resources that are likely needed to bring education, social services etc. etc. to a reasonable level...

And I'm not American but I'm pretty sure if you're a convicted felon you lose the right to vote - so your suggestion that the Dem's want to keep people poor, which will inevitable lead to a good portion of them going to prison seems ill-thought out...

1. An honest debate. Genuinely sick and tired of seeing Liberals try to take the high road when they're guilty of everything that they accuse their opponents of.

Sexism. The majority of men involved in the #MeToo scandal were all Liberal men who abused their power. Chief among them was Harvey Weinstein, referred to as "God" by Meryl Streep and various other Hollywood poisons.

How many rape gangs have been outed over the past three years alone, and how many so-called feminists have done anything about it? Countless young girls have had their innocence stolen from them. Their worlds invaded. Their lives ruined before they even started. Where's the outrage? Where's the protests and rallies?

From Killary laughing at Bill's accusers to #MeToo, fake feminists, and all the evil in between, Democrats don't give a hot shit about women.

Racism. Already covered that. Have a look at Malcolm X's interviews. It's a rabbit hole that'll open your eyes to so much.

Abuse of power. It's a well-known fact that Democrats run the media. This isn't an Alex Jones tinfoil hat thing either. The overwhelming majority of journalists and news outlets are Liberal and anti-Trump. Whether it be cheap shots from media personalities, ANTIFA patrolling polling stations, or losing your job because of politics, Liberals routinely vilify anyone who disagrees with them.

2. Could these areas get any worse? Gang violence, homelessness, junkies shooting up in the streets, human shit everywhere... You can't compare Republican areas to those controlled by Democrats.

3. The Democratic system has failed black people. Keeping them down, clipping their wings, and brainwashing them into thinking that success isn't an option and that the colour of their skin defines their entire existence. Democrats have spent years and years driving a wedge between the races (and sexes for that matter) for their own gain.

Also, yes, a great portion of black people end up in jail. When the system has failed, they turn to crime. Not hard to see why. The media rarely, if ever, talks about the daily deaths and issues in the black community because they simply don't give a shit.

Given that much of this is not necessarily political in nature or is too broad in general, can you make a new thread with these inquiries?



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Eagle367 said:
What did you all think of the Iowa debacle and #MayorCheat trending. And the IDC giving Buttigieg 2 more delegates even though the SDE difference between him and Bernie is so small that Bernie should actually be equal to Buttigieg in delegates.

He had to cheat and use billionaires dollars just to tie with Sanders in SDE and lose the popular vote as well and STILL had to game the system to get two more delegates. Really is the year of the rat. Can't stand him. Only plus is that he took the wind out of Biden's sails lmfao