Pemalite said:
sundin13 said:
I didn't think it needed to be said (because it has already been said), but I am speaking specifically about your claim that cannabis smoke causes cancer. Not about whether the smoke is "healthy" or whether there are any negative health impacts. I am not discussing that at this time. You claimed that cannabis smoke causes cancer and have now doubled down on that claim several times. I said you needed to provide sources. You provide sources which said that a causal link has not been established. These are your sources and that is the best you can do. Huge red flag.
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All smoke causes cancer. All smoke is unhealthy. A number of sources was provided, some of which you haven't mentioned yet.
Bit of an assertion that it's the best thing I can do, huge red flag there.
sundin13 said:
Now you have the gall to accuse me of nitpicking quotes when you deliberately cut a sentence in half in the way which conveniently didn't include the bit which said research has established no causal link. Pre-cancerous cells are not cancer cells, and they often do not become cancer cells. You throwing out another "if" statement without demonstrating that this "if" is actually true does not change this fact. This was completely, 100% selective and dishonest editing on your part. I would perhaps forgive the mistake if the rest of the sentence and the rest of the paper didn't demonstrate that you were full of shit.
I feel like I have a pretty high amount of patience for good faith bad takes, but this has gone past the point of "good faith"...
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We both nitpicked, you generally pick out the information you wanted to back up an argument, that's how things generally work.
Pre-cancerous cells, again, I have provided the information on what that means prior, making your ramble entirely redundant.
In the end, the evidence suggests that all smoke is dangerous and that even Marijuana smoke has a negative effect on the body with a possibility of causing cancer as there is evidence to suggest there are pre-cancerous cells.
Obviously this is a topic that requires more research and studies... But generally and I think you can agree with the citations provided prior, all smoke is bad for you, no exceptions.
It seems this may have upset you somewhat and are thus resorting to direct jabs, perhaps you might need to take a break from the thread for awhile?
Have a nice day.
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I did mention your other sources, in that I mentioned that they weren't related to cannabis smoke. Proving that bushfire and some other forms of smoke causes cancer contributes less than nothing to this discussion. As such, I have nothing to say about them.
And again, I take umbrage to the insinuation that I nitpicked anything. I am fully confident that my quotations along with the explanations that I provided alongside them, provide an accurate representation of the reference material, especially when I went out of my way to provide full paragraphs and ample context. Feel free to rebut that if you can, however you have demonstrated no intention or ability to doing so. There is no nitpicking within intellectual honesty and well cited papers. If you have to nitpick to make your argument, you are doing it wrong. If I can look at your quotation and say "Hey, what you are implying with that quote blatantly contradicts your source", you have messed up.
And here, you have clearly messed up.
I am consistently baffled by your doubling down on this topic. Pre-cancerous cells are not cancer cells, and they do not necessarily become cancer cells. Without a causal link to cancer, they have no bearing on this discussion beyond an interesting footnote. I implore you to stop saying with such confidence that "all smoke causes cancer" without adequately proving that cannabis smoke causes cancer.
Because your own sources have made it clear that a causal link to cancer could not be established. As such, you are simply incorrect. I am fully okay with someone being wrong, but continuing to assert your correctness in the face of clear and undisputed evidence (including your own) is simply an insult to my intelligence, and the intelligence of anyone reading this thread. And yes, more research is needed, but with a lack of additional research, we can only conclude that no causal link has been established and as such, you cannot state that cannabis smoke causes cancer. I don't care if it is "bad for you", I only care about its relation to cancer. Broadening the assertion does little more than move the goalposts, and I will not be party to that.
And yes, you have upset me. I am quite miffed, if you will, about how dishonest and stubborn you have been over the course of this discussion. As previously stated, I have a lot of patience for bad takes presented in good faith, but there is little "good faith" about dishonest quote clipping, intellectual dishonesty and stubbornness in the face of clear logical inconsistencies. As such, I feel entirely in the right to call this out. I have no intention of leaving, and I believe my behavior has stayed far away from anything deserving of moderation. If you believe I have crossed a line feel free to report me, however, I hope you would leave it to the other members of the moderation team as you are far from an impartial observer in this little disagreement.
