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Immersiveunreality said:
tsogud said:

I'm not excusing the fucking unnecessary violence. And I don't condone looting. But do I give a fuck if Target gets looted? No. Target doesn't even give a fuck themselves.

The Boston Tea Party was considered an act of violence and rebellion, maybe you should denounce America with the same vigor as you're denouncing these protests. Shit, while you're at it, at the start of the civil war there was rightly acts of violence against slave owners, are you going to denounce that. It's funny you won't tho, I wonder why.. I guess racism is "no good excuse"

You're throwing the blame on the people when you should be focusing on the system that brought us to this point and the racism that allowed that oppressive system to stay intact for centuries. Your annoyance and anger are misplaced. People get fed up with having their brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, etc. get killed in cold blood with no accountability placed on the murderer.

And there was a simple way to stop all of this. Arrest and rightly charge ALL the officers present. And radically reform the justice system but no, confronting your own prejudice and racism is too uncomfortable for white America.

There would have been no violence had the police done their job. There would have been no violence had the police not escalated the situation with violence. There would have been no violence had there been justice. There would have been no violence had the US not deployed the military to gas, shoot, tase, bomb, etc. their civilians conducting a peaceful protest. There would have been no violence had our justice system worked for ALL people.

Second bolded:And therefore you have to react on everything with violence on the wrong targets,what a sad pitiful excuse for weak human beings.

I agree, the police officers that are reacting on everything with violence on peaceful protesters are a sad pitiful excuse for weak human beings.

Glad we are in agreement 😊

Last edited by tsogud - on 01 June 2020

 

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Otter said:
KLAMarine said:

This is why I'm more scared of rioters than of police.

Although I understand the feeling, the reality I'm observing doesn't weight up. Rioters are not attacking random people, the main threat is commercial property and people who step in to protect it. Let the police do that job.

On the other hand 2 people are confirmed to have been killed by the police, one was reportedly sleeping in his car. The other also unarmed. Many more have been blinded in one eye or seriously injured. Peaceful protest is essentially being outlawed. No one has died from rioters from what I have seen and things with the police are continuing to escalate

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1267588006426357761?s=20

"2 people are confirmed to have been killed by the police, one was reportedly sleeping in his car. The other also unarmed."

>You tell me this. What can you show me to back up these statements?



A fashion shop near my home has been hit. I ask myself "what did these people do to anyone to deserve this?"

Nothing. They did nothing to anyone to deserve that...



Otter said:
jason1637 said:
Heading to the protest in downtown Manhattan. Dont trust the media and wanna see it for myself.

Will be very interested to hear your take, stay safe.

I just got back. Didn't want to stay as it gets late since NY is having a curfew.

I went to spring street cause i saw on twitter that's where people were and that they were heading towards the Brooklyn bridge. SO when I got off the subway the first thing I saw were 30 cops marching towards the protests.

Before I caught up I walked around and a lot of stores were robbed in the area and graffiti was everywhere. Felt really bad for the small business owners. Some stores that had yet to be looted were fortying their windows and doors with some type of wood before the night protests happen. There were blocks where every store had wood all around.

When i caught up with the protest most were peaceful and were chanting. The cops kept pushing them back so some that tried to push back at them were arrested.

There were lots of cops. I've never seen so many cops before and this was the afternoon and evening. Can't imagine what goes on at night if you're actually there. 

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KLAMarine said:
A fashion shop near my home has been hit. I ask myself "what did these people do to anyone to deserve this?"

Nothing. They did nothing to anyone to deserve that...

A store can be rebuilt. You can't bring people back from the dead last time I checked. 



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While we are spending a lot of time talking about the direct response to these protests (ie, the actions of the police), I think we need to talk about Trump.

Is there anyone here who can defend Trump's complete disinterest in even trying to be a leader? His entire playbook has been to attack, to provoke, to call for violence, to call to "wipe out" the movement, or when all that fails, to step back and place blame. His words are dangerous and they are undoubtedly contributing to the unrest we are seeing. The way I see it, there are two ways out of this: One is to move forward and make broad reforms while the other is to suppress and silence. Trump seems to have no interest in reform. He has instead called for the police to be more violent and demanded they dole out "retribution".

How can anyone support this? Even if you disagree with the violence of these protests, how can you look at Trump and see a positive force in any way? It is absolutely despicable the way he has been handling this crisis.

And to those who are on the left, but will not vote for Biden, how can you make that decision in good conscience after seeing Trump so nakedly embrace the tactics of fascism?



Soundwave said:
KLAMarine said:
A fashion shop near my home has been hit. I ask myself "what did these people do to anyone to deserve this?"

Nothing. They did nothing to anyone to deserve that...

A store can be rebuilt. You can't bring people back from the dead last time I checked. 

Indeed, you cannot bring back the dead, no matter how hard you riot. Riots can only claim more lives.



KLAMarine said:
Soundwave said:

A store can be rebuilt. You can't bring people back from the dead last time I checked. 

Indeed, you cannot bring back the dead, no matter how hard you riot. Riots can only claim more lives.

No, but you can force justice. 

That cop is arrested only because the powers that be are scared of these riots, they tried to hold off arresting him for several days before finally being forced into doing the right thing. 

"Peaceful protest" would not have accomplished that. 

The only reason that cop, who murdered a man on camera, is not going to be back working the streets 6 months from now is because of violent unrest. It's the only language the powers that be understand. 

Colin Kaepernick tried to bring attention and change to this issue "peacefully" and what did he get? Zero change, a bunch of whining from white critics that he "can't do that", and black listed from his profession. 

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KLAMarine said:
A fashion shop near my home has been hit. I ask myself "what did these people do to anyone to deserve this?"

Nothing. They did nothing to anyone to deserve that...

What did the merchants bringing tea to the colonies do to deserve that?



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

KLAMarine said:
Soundwave said:

A store can be rebuilt. You can't bring people back from the dead last time I checked. 

Indeed, you cannot bring back the dead, no matter how hard you riot. Riots can only claim more lives.

Riots can -only- claim more lives? You don't think they can achieve anything else? How about ... if they promote changes to a system for the purpose of reducing loss of life?