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tsogud on 01 June 2020
sundin13 said:
tsogud said:

Worth noting that in regards to this incident, two of the officers have been fired (both men of color) and three others have been put on desk duty. Body camera footage has also been released.

https://www.cbs46.com/news/atlanta-officers-fired-after-college-students-tased-pulled-from-car-saturday-night/article_837b61b4-a383-11ea-bdd0-b7b23b6df8e3.html

Thank you for that info, very much appreciated. It shouldn't have happened at all but at least some justice is happening.



 

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Otter on 01 June 2020
sundin13 said:

Worth noting that in regards to this incident, two of the officers have been fired (both men of color) and three others have been put on desk duty. Body camera footage has also been released.

https://www.cbs46.com/news/atlanta-officers-fired-after-college-students-tased-pulled-from-car-saturday-night/article_837b61b4-a383-11ea-bdd0-b7b23b6df8e3.html

Thank God it was accidently captured on live news.



jason1637 on 01 June 2020

Heading to the protest in downtown Manhattan. Dont trust the media and wanna see it for myself.



Otter on 01 June 2020
jason1637 said:
Heading to the protest in downtown Manhattan. Dont trust the media and wanna see it for myself.

Will be very interested to hear your take, stay safe.



Machiavellian on 01 June 2020
Immersiveunreality said:
Machiavellian said:

What you have to realize is that Riots do not just happen out of no where.  It usually happens when multiple incidents occurs and nothing has been done to solve the problem.  Once people feel like there is no hope, then violence usually is the result. Rational thinking is the province of people who do not go through the same cycle everyday.  As with most protest that does not have strong leadership, things can quickly explode especially if there is countless incidents that goes on for decades with no resolution.

Also the problem is not isolated to the cop or cops that abuse their power, its the system that allows them to abuse their power and get off scott free.  The city thought that firing the officers would be enough to satisfy people but what really pissed everyone off is that it appeared they would go scott free.  The city did not make it clear that they are investigating the situation also and looking to prosecute.

Last but not least there are other actors out there that want the riot to happen.  There is a video where a huge stack of bricks are place in an area with no construction where protesters are marching.  There are actors out their that want to turn the death of Floyd into a riot so that the focus leaves the police and concentrate on the riot thus starting the cycle again of doing nothing.  Yes, protesters are getting played but thats because there is no strong leadership directing that anger into solid and sustained protest.

Why do you and other defenders of violent acts in these riots just assume i do not realize that,i realize it does not happen out of no where while also finding it very wrong to inflict criminal acts against innocents for the sake of what, ''justice''?

Have you ever been near a violent riot or a you talking about some idyllic fantasy image of it?

After not having had a problem solved for a good while the majority of protesters did it in peace while a minority did shamefull acts mostly out of pure hate not caring for a cause.

This is where you are wrong and shows you did not understand my post.  I am not defending violent acts, I am giving you a reason why the violent act happens.  There is a big difference.  When as a people do we think rationally when anger builds up for decades of not being heard. The fact their are not riots every day is a testament to people trying to stay in control and move on but the spark that ignites such violence is always there waiting for the opportunity. 

The key point is that the actors want the riots to happen for a number of reasons.  First, once the anger is let loose, sustaining long peaceful protest is extremely hard.  Keeping people engage and continuing to protest becomes tough and people go back home feeling empty.  People who concentrated on the riots more than the spark move on because they were played just as much as the protesters.

Ask yourself this question, since you feel compelled to talk about the riot, what will you do to help stop what sparked it.  The thing is you have already moved on because your center focus is not understanding what caused the riot but instead the riot itself.  After the news cycle moves on and you have stated how sad it all was, the system will still be in place ready for the next incident.

Trust you me, the peaceful protest has already lost steam and isn't going to do anything just like all the rest of the peaceful protest that happens ever time we have another incident.  In order for a protest to make any difference it needs sustainability. If the people are not asking the leaders of our government everyday what are you going to do about police brutality then nothing happens.  People that keep talking about peaceful protest are the same ones who get upset when the protest disrupt their lives, never looking to understand just wishing to go back to normal and the status quo.

As to if I have been in a violent riot, hell yeah I have.  I have felt that anger, that overflowing feeling you want the world to burn.  I have been stopped by cops with their guns already drawn on a number of occasions.  I have had police pull me over because I was in a predominately white neighborhood.  I also have been followed by cops for the same reason.  I have had cops try to provoke me to act in any threatening way so they could shoot me at one point.  My experience on this has tempered my perspective and even though I have gone through some stuff when I was much younger, I still do not promote violence but I do understand its language.



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Otter on 01 June 2020

this whole thread is a strong summary of how i feel. 



KLAMarine on 01 June 2020
Otter said:

this whole thread is a strong summary of how i feel. 

This is why I'm more scared of rioters than of police.



tsogud on 01 June 2020

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Otter on 01 June 2020
KLAMarine said:
Otter said:

this whole thread is a strong summary of how i feel. 

This is why I'm more scared of rioters than of police.

Although I understand the feeling, the reality I'm observing doesn't weight up. Rioters are not attacking random people, the main threat is commercial property and people who step in to protect it. Let the police do that job.

On the other hand 2 people are confirmed to have been killed by the police, one was reportedly sleeping in his car. The other also unarmed. Many more have been blinded in one eye or seriously injured. Peaceful protest is essentially being outlawed. No one has died from rioters from what I have seen and things with the police are continuing to escalate

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1267588006426357761?s=20



tsogud on 01 June 2020

https://www.usatoday.com/amp/5310854002