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SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

Since you must have, explain.

According to your analysis of socialism, western Europe must be broke, used everybody else's money, lazy, don't work, just has government do everything for them, no drive or motivation.

It just blows me away that people say X doesn't work when examples of it working have existed for decades....including in the US itself. 

"Socialism has never worked!!!"

"What about Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, France, etc?"

"WHAT ABOUT VENEZUELA!?!??!"



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EricHiggin said:
LurkerJ said:

A father confronted Warren during an event in Grimes, Iowa, on Monday about her plan to roll back student loan debt for “about 95 percent of students who have debt.” “I just wanted to ask one question. My daughter is getting out of school. I’ve saved all my money. She doesn’t have any student loans. Am I going to get my money back?” he asked.

“Of course not,” Warren replied.

“So you’re going to pay for people who didn’t save any money and those of us who did the right thing get screwed?” he asked. “My buddy had fun, bought a car, and went on all the vacations, I saved my money. He makes more than I did. I worked a double shift,” the man pressed before accusing Warren of not taking him seriously. “You’re laughing at me,” he said. “Yeah that’s exactly what you’re doing. We did the right thing and we get screwed.”

“I appreciate your time,” Warren stated as he walked away

I think this man makes a valid point and there a discussion to be had about debt forgiveness for those who already paid their debts. 

This is why socialism doesn't work well, even in smaller doses. Most people who are intelligent, hard working, good decision makers, etc, won't put up with this. It's one thing to help the needy on a personal level, and another for Gov to heavily promote making bad decisions. The more socialist idea's that get implemented, the more the people propping everyone else up will stop caring, and soon enough you run out of money because literally everyone expects free Gov handouts. Why bother trying to make something of yourself now, when all you need to do is bide your time until you can have your mistakes and poor decisions erased by some politician?

The unfortunate truth is that people need to learn, and sometimes the hard way, which is baked into capitalism.

You're right Eric. Socialism won't work in  America because we are greedy, selfish unemphatic  people only looking out for ourselves. 

The point of paying off the debt is about helping people who weren't able to pay for schooling. You have to be doing halfway decently to pay your way through school, or able to pay off your debt afterwards. 

Who needs the money more: a millionaire who paid their way through college because they can afford it. Or a family under the poverty line who went in debt to try better themselves. 

>The unfortunate truth is that people need to learn, and sometimes the hard way, which is baked into capitalism.

Because people should suffer the rest of their life for trying to improve their lives. 



melbye said:
SpokenTruth said:

You've never been to western Europe, have you?

Have you, cause looking at your posts after this one you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Stop being such a stereotypical know it all fucking leftist that thinks they who are so worldy that know everything but are actually some of the most ignorant fucking assholes that really knows nothing more than the lies CNN and MSNBC tells them

Would you like photos of my family in Germany?  Or perhaps those in The Netherlands?  I'd show you my passport but that's not a good idea to post on the Internet.

You could be right though.  Perhaps I've never read a book, taken economics courses, traveled, studied foreign markets and only get my information directly from CNN and MSNBC. 

I'd reciprocate the name calling and vulgar character analysis but that a level of petty I don't subscribe to.

zorg1000 said:
SpokenTruth said:

According to your analysis of socialism, western Europe must be broke, used everybody else's money, lazy, don't work, just has government do everything for them, no drive or motivation.

It just blows me away that people say X doesn't work when examples of it working have existed for decades....including in the US itself. 

"Socialism has never worked!!!"

"What about Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, France, etc?"

"WHAT ABOUT VENEZUELA!?!??!"

Melbye is about to colorfully inform you that Norway does not participate in any form of socialism.



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SpokenTruth said:
RJTM1991 said:
It's always the same type of people who peddle Socialism, isn't it? Middle-class, coddled, privileged, out of touch... They'll preach about Socialism from their iPhones and iPads, completely oblivious to the fact that they all benefit from Capitalism every single day.

The overwhelming number of people who've fled from broken countries always try to shine a light on the horrors of Socialism. There's a near-endless amount of videos and news articles online, but no-one listens to them.

A damn shame.

You are confusing totalitarianism with socialism.  I forgive you....this time.

EricHiggin said:

Even I'm disappointed with this attempted spin, and that's sad. You're loosing your touch. Stop watching the Dems provide 'evidence' in the Senate. It'll rot your brain.

I'm not sure you are using that word correctly.  I replied to your question with an answer I had already provided.  Spin would mean I altered a statement to mean something else...usually with changing the statement from either positive to negative or a negative to positive.

Not at all, my man. Though I'm not super into politics, I do know of Socialism and what a cancer it is.

I've always wanted to see some eccentric multi-millionaire offer serious money to some of those so-called "Socialists" to live in a Socialist country for a month. It's quite obvious that photos, videos, and pleas from immigrants won't work, so giving them first-hand experience should do the trick.



RJTM1991 said:
SpokenTruth said:

You are confusing totalitarianism with socialism.  I forgive you....this time.

I'm not sure you are using that word correctly.  I replied to your question with an answer I had already provided.  Spin would mean I altered a statement to mean something else...usually with changing the statement from either positive to negative or a negative to positive.

Not at all, my man. Though I'm not super into politics, I do know of Socialism and what a cancer it is.

I've always wanted to see some eccentric multi-millionaire offer serious money to some of those so-called "Socialists" to live in a Socialist country for a month. It's quite obvious that photos, videos, and pleas from immigrants won't work, so giving them first-hand experience should do the trick.

zorg1000 said:
SpokenTruth said:

According to your analysis of socialism, western Europe must be broke, used everybody else's money, lazy, don't work, just has government do everything for them, no drive or motivation.

It just blows me away that people say X doesn't work when examples of it working have existed for decades....including in the US itself. 

"Socialism has never worked!!!"

"What about Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, France, etc?"

"WHAT ABOUT VENEZUELA!?!??!"

OMG... there it is.

Oh, and Melbye...like RJTM1991, you are confusing socialism with totalitarianism. If you cannot separate these two, you do not get to tell us we do not know anything.

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SpokenTruth said:
zorg1000 said:

"Socialism has never worked!!!"

"What about Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, France, etc?"

"WHAT ABOUT VENEZUELA!?!??!"

Melbye is about to colorfully inform you that Norway does not participate in any form of socialism.



melbye said:
SpokenTruth said:

You've never been to western Europe, have you?

Have you, cause looking at your posts after this one you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Stop being such a stereotypical know it all fucking leftist that thinks they who are so worldy that know everything but are actually some of the most ignorant fucking assholes that really knows nothing more than the lies CNN and MSNBC tells them

>Have you, cause looking at your posts after this one you clearly don't know what you are talking about

I literally have friends that live in the same countries that SpokenTruth is talking about, who say the same types of things as him. 

 



SpokenTruth said:
RJTM1991 said:

Not at all, my man. Though I'm not super into politics, I do know of Socialism and what a cancer it is.

I've always wanted to see some eccentric multi-millionaire offer serious money to some of those so-called "Socialists" to live in a Socialist country for a month. It's quite obvious that photos, videos, and pleas from immigrants won't work, so giving them first-hand experience should do the trick.

zorg1000 said:

"Socialism has never worked!!!"

"What about Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, France, etc?"

"WHAT ABOUT VENEZUELA!?!??!"

OMG... there it is.

You can try to brush it off, but it's there and it's true.



TallSilhouette said:
SpokenTruth said:

Melbye is about to colorfully inform you that Norway does not participate in any form of socialism.

One of my favorites.  Trying to remember my other one.  But I can't remember their name.

Republican, does the talk shows/podcast crap.  They think they are smart because they live in a little bubble. Then they went onto someones else podcast and got destroyed.  Screamed you're a liberal and then ran off.  There a ben?

This will drive me mad.

Ben Shapiro. Now to find the meme. IT follows the exact same format.

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RJTM1991 said:
SpokenTruth said:

You are confusing totalitarianism with socialism.  I forgive you....this time.

I'm not sure you are using that word correctly.  I replied to your question with an answer I had already provided.  Spin would mean I altered a statement to mean something else...usually with changing the statement from either positive to negative or a negative to positive.

Not at all, my man. Though I'm not super into politics, I do know of Socialism and what a cancer it is.

I've always wanted to see some eccentric multi-millionaire offer serious money to some of those so-called "Socialists" to live in a Socialist country for a month. It's quite obvious that photos, videos, and pleas from immigrants won't work, so giving them first-hand experience should do the trick.

Funny, because every time you use the NHS, and everytime you don't have to pay expensive health insurance payments like the americans, you do it because you yourself live in a (partly) socialist country.



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