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Runa216 said:
RJTM1991 said:

That's all shallow, insincere, box-ticking and pandering. Liberals don't care about gays, transgender people, or anything other than power. Same with Conservatives, really. They shamelessly hop on trends all the time. It's a marketing ploy. Anything to appear cool and virtuous.

Wow, you conservatives will just make anything up to act like your opponents are just as bigoted as you! As a person who lives in a VERY liberal country, with very liberal leaders and very liberal (or just, you know, decent) people...I can assure you that 'liking gay people' isn't just some play for power. It's almost like...and get this, it's hard I know...some people are just good people that want love, passion, and equality for all. 

But no, in your mind - and the mind of so, SO many people like you - it's not about actually wanting the world to be a better place, it's just some conspiracy to appeal to the people who do...want...the world to be a better place? Your conspiracy falls apart before you finish the first sentence. How the hell could a conspiracy wherein 'liberals' are just 'pandering' to gay people get ANY traction if only the LGBTQ+ population voted for them? the LGBTQ+ population is less than 20% (Last I heard it was 5-7%), so why pander to them? It makes no sense, unless you accept that...and this is tough...PEOPLE ACTUALLY CARE AND ARE SICK OF MINORITIES BEING SHIT ON ALL THE TIME.

But, no. Never. In the mind of so many conservatives, the very concept of actually caring about other people is completely foreign to them. The idea that people could vote to give OTHER people rights that aren't themselves is alien to a conservative. that's why so many 'conservative' values are just masked as ways for old, bigoted people to have their bigotry forgiven or accepted. So many conservative or right-wing policies revolve around the idea of the INDIVIDUAL, not the COLLECTIVE. Personal responsibility, guns, tradition over progression, established gender roles, religion, capitalism. The entire thesis behind modern right wing policies is 'we liked it the way it was and we don't want change.' which translates to 'we liked it better when we could call out dem queers and fags and (other racial expletives I won't even write to prove a point), and treat women like our property; all of this social progress is hindering my ability to be a bigoted, ignorant shitbag so I'm just gonna rant about how feminism and faggots are ruining amurrica'

I really, REALLY wish what I was saying wasn't true, but it's so consistent and pervasive in modern culture. all of these policies that the Republicans are pushing seem to exist solely to resist change that would give rights to minorities or women, or outright take away rights those minorities have been given, or to give those who don't wish to support these minorities the rights to be a dick about it. 

Whatever happened to the right wing policies that were about personal freedom, responsibility and expression? the Republican party used to be about freedom from government control (That's actually what the political right used to represent and the basis for right-wing politics. Leaning to the right means less government interference whereas the left at its core means more government involvement), but now it's about being free from all that progress that the government and society have been pushing for so long. Republicans don't stand for what they're supposed to, they resist change and push outdated morals and values because they liked it the way it used to be, not the way it's going to be. you know, when women stayed in the kitchen, blacks sat at the back of the bus, anyone who didn't go to church was a degenerate, and fags got beat to death for wanting to love another man.

I'm not a Conservative. Just calling it like I see it. Why anyone puts faith in corrupt, lifelong liars like politicians is beyond me. If it makes you feel any better though, I don't think they care about anyone but themselves to be honest.

For example, how many black events has Hillary been to since she lost? Or you know, before she was campaigning? It's almost like they'll say and do anything for a vote, isn't it?

I think there's a lot more to people than their skin colour, sexuality and gender. No need to pigeon-hole people. If you're gay, then you're gay. No-one cares. It's not some great big occasion. It's normal. You were born that way. If you let the way you were born define your entire existence then I really don't know what to say.

A person's character is what really matters. As soon as people understand that, the better.



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SpokenTruth said:
Moren said:

Oof, @RJTM1991.
If you want a circlejerk "Movie Goes Woke & Broke" tinfoil echo chamber, I suggest visiting one of the numerous thismentiel threads.

I've already suggested he make new threads to cover his broad range of topics.  But he won't.  I don't think he has the will power, knowledge or wherewithal to do it.  He seems to ride on the surface of a lot of topics with no depth to any of them.

You're right, I'd need the will power, knowledge and wherewithal of a condescending 42 year-old on a gaming forum to do that.



Runa216 said:
RJTM1991 said:

That's all shallow, insincere, box-ticking and pandering. Liberals don't care about gays, transgender people, or anything other than power. Same with Conservatives, really. They shamelessly hop on trends all the time. It's a marketing ploy. Anything to appear cool and virtuous.

Wow, you conservatives will just make anything up to act like your opponents are just as bigoted as you! As a person who lives in a VERY liberal country, with very liberal leaders and very liberal (or just, you know, decent) people...I can assure you that 'liking gay people' isn't just some play for power. It's almost like...and get this, it's hard I know...some people are just good people that want love, passion, and equality for all. 

But no, in your mind - and the mind of so, SO many people like you - it's not about actually wanting the world to be a better place, it's just some conspiracy to appeal to the people who do...want...the world to be a better place? Your conspiracy falls apart before you finish the first sentence. How the hell could a conspiracy wherein 'liberals' are just 'pandering' to gay people get ANY traction if only the LGBTQ+ population voted for them? the LGBTQ+ population is less than 20% (Last I heard it was 5-7%), so why pander to them? It makes no sense, unless you accept that...and this is tough...PEOPLE ACTUALLY CARE AND ARE SICK OF MINORITIES BEING SHIT ON ALL THE TIME.

But, no. Never. In the mind of so many conservatives, the very concept of actually caring about other people is completely foreign to them. The idea that people could vote to give OTHER people rights that aren't themselves is alien to a conservative. that's why so many 'conservative' values are just masked as ways for old, bigoted people to have their bigotry forgiven or accepted. So many conservative or right-wing policies revolve around the idea of the INDIVIDUAL, not the COLLECTIVE. Personal responsibility, guns, tradition over progression, established gender roles, religion, capitalism. The entire thesis behind modern right wing policies is 'we liked it the way it was and we don't want change.' which translates to 'we liked it better when we could call out dem queers and fags and (other racial expletives I won't even write to prove a point), and treat women like our property; all of this social progress is hindering my ability to be a bigoted, ignorant shitbag so I'm just gonna rant about how feminism and faggots are ruining amurrica'

I really, REALLY wish what I was saying wasn't true, but it's so consistent and pervasive in modern culture. all of these policies that the Republicans are pushing seem to exist solely to resist change that would give rights to minorities or women, or outright take away rights those minorities have been given, or to give those who don't wish to support these minorities the rights to be a dick about it. 

Whatever happened to the right wing policies that were about personal freedom, responsibility and expression? the Republican party used to be about freedom from government control (That's actually what the political right used to represent and the basis for right-wing politics. Leaning to the right means less government interference whereas the left at its core means more government involvement), but now it's about being free from all that progress that the government and society have been pushing for so long. Republicans don't stand for what they're supposed to, they resist change and push outdated morals and values because they liked it the way it used to be, not the way it's going to be. you know, when women stayed in the kitchen, blacks sat at the back of the bus, anyone who didn't go to church was a degenerate, and fags got beat to death for wanting to love another man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_dFPdi-tdQ

There's a solid breakdown of celebrity pandering, my man. Just like politicians, they don't care.



The level of discourse on this thread is quite sad. I thought I could find some people to have an interesting discussion with but this thread is very toxic and full of name calling and hurling shit at each other.



Just a guy who doesn't want to be bored. Also

RJTM1991 said:
haxxiy said:

I see you're a little bit out of the loop. I could remind you how Puritanism (and Islam, really, if we're talking about social conservatism worldwide) itself began as a huge-ass cancel movement but I'll stick to more recent facts.

http://www.boycottleftwingers.com/

https://www.businessinsider.com/conservatives-boycott-brands-keurig-nfl-starbucks-2017-11/

https://ilovemyfreedom.org/black-panther-movie-facing-serious-boycotts/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-brie-larsons-captain-marvel-made-angry-white-men-lose-their-damn-minds

https://gonintendo.com/stories/354521-ai-the-somnium-files-lead-designer-saddened-to-hear-the-game-is

Besides, "destroy lives" is literally the end result of a lot of homophobic, racist, anti-environmental activism etc. attacks all over the world.

That's all shallow, insincere, box-ticking and pandering. Liberals don't care about gays, transgender people, or anything other than power. Same with Conservatives, really. They shamelessly hop on trends all the time. It's a marketing ploy. Anything to appear cool and virtuous.

Look at the Gillette ad as an example. If they made that ten years ago, then they would've been shining a light on something that they believed was an issue. Instead, they did it when everyone else was doing it.

Also, there's usually a reason for boycotts. Ever think that it has something to do with people being insulted or excluded?

"Get Woke, Go Broke" it's almost like pushing an agenda on people isn't the way to go, eh?

Talking about games. How about Jim Sterling boasting about "personally" censoring Xenoblade? 

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/sony-ps4-censorship-policy-censored-games/

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/get-woke-go-broke-the-master-list/

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2020/02/cliffy-b-regrets-making-lawbreakers-get-woke-and-go-broke/102439/

Do you personally care about gay people? Do you care about transgender people? What about POC? Poor people? The disabled? Do you care about the income and wealth inequality problem we have? Do you care about achieving gender equality? Do you care about any of the issues you get mad at liberals for "pretending" to care about?

Also how do you personally define "liberal" and "conservative"? Is it just social issues for you or is it economic? Also who are you talking about when you say "liberals" and "conservatives"? Are you talking about average American citizens who are liberal/conservative or establishment Democrats and Republicans and corporatists who are only concerned with money and power?

I'd like to know.

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RJTM1991 said:
SpokenTruth said:

I've already suggested he make new threads to cover his broad range of topics.  But he won't.  I don't think he has the will power, knowledge or wherewithal to do it.  He seems to ride on the surface of a lot of topics with no depth to any of them.

You're right, I'd need the will power, knowledge and wherewithal of a condescending 42 year-old on a gaming forum to do that.

You said "I think there's a lot more to people than their skin colour, sexuality and gender. No need to pigeon-hole people."

a) I guess age doesn't make your list of things that shouldn't be discriminated against? Also, what the hell is wrong with someone of any age being on a gaming forum? For a start, much of the discussion isn't actually about games and secondly so what if it was? Aren't we passed the antiquated view that games are just for children? What decade are you living in? Incidentally, I think SpokenTruth is a great contributer to the site. He backs up well-thought out opinions with rational arguments and evidence... And then there are people like yourself...

b) And no need to pigeon-hole - seriously!? Please have a read through your last dozen or so posts on this thread - the hypocrisy is incredible!



I think it needs to be noted that actions speak louder than words. you can SAY you're not bigoted all you want, but when you vote for and support people who campaign on outright bigotry and xenophobia and homophobia, that speaks volumes to your character more than crying foul about being improperly judged ever will. If you don't want to be seen as bigoted, then don't spout hateful rhetoric or support people who do.



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Biggerboat1 said:
RJTM1991 said:

You're right, I'd need the will power, knowledge and wherewithal of a condescending 42 year-old on a gaming forum to do that.

You said "I think there's a lot more to people than their skin colour, sexuality and gender. No need to pigeon-hole people."

a) I guess age doesn't make your list of things that shouldn't be discriminated against? Also, what the hell is wrong with someone of any age being on a gaming forum? For a start, much of the discussion isn't actually about games and secondly so what if it was? Aren't we passed the antiquated view that games are just for children? What decade are you living in? Incidentally, I think SpokenTruth is a great contributer to the site. He backs up well-thought out opinions with rational arguments and evidence... And then there are people like yourself...

b) And no need to pigeon-hole - seriously!? Please have a read through your last dozen or so posts on this thread - the hypocrisy is incredible!

He's not a child. He's old enough to know better than to talk down to people. That's what I meant. Calm down.

With age comes maturity. 



tsogud said:
RJTM1991 said:

That's all shallow, insincere, box-ticking and pandering. Liberals don't care about gays, transgender people, or anything other than power. Same with Conservatives, really. They shamelessly hop on trends all the time. It's a marketing ploy. Anything to appear cool and virtuous.

Look at the Gillette ad as an example. If they made that ten years ago, then they would've been shining a light on something that they believed was an issue. Instead, they did it when everyone else was doing it.

Also, there's usually a reason for boycotts. Ever think that it has something to do with people being insulted or excluded?

"Get Woke, Go Broke" it's almost like pushing an agenda on people isn't the way to go, eh?

Talking about games. How about Jim Sterling boasting about "personally" censoring Xenoblade? 

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/sony-ps4-censorship-policy-censored-games/

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/get-woke-go-broke-the-master-list/

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2020/02/cliffy-b-regrets-making-lawbreakers-get-woke-and-go-broke/102439/

Do you personally care about gay people? Do you care about transgender people? What about POC? Poor people? The disabled? Do you care about the income and wealth inequality problem we have? Do you care about achieving gender equality? Do you care about any of the issues you get mad at liberals for "pretending" to care about?

Also how do you personally define "liberal" and "conservative"? Is it just social issues for you or is it economic? Also who are you talking about when you say "liberals" and "conservatives"? Are you talking about average American citizens who are liberal/conservative or establishment Democrats and Republicans and corporatists who are only concerned with money and power?

I'd like to know.

I care about people, my man. I don't give a shit about colour, sexuality, or gender. Never have. There's a lot more to people than that. Character is the most important thing. Pigeon-holing people based on the way that they were born does nothing but hold them back.

One of the kindest people I know is gay, Jamie. He doesn't like gay pride parades and hates the "obnoxious stereotypes that homophobes expect to see walking down the street." On gay pride, he hates "seeing gays in BDSM gear waving dildos around when there's kids in the crowd." He believes that gays should use pride events to educate and show naysayers that being gay is normal rather than treat it as a "glorified drag race."

With transgender people, I've got all the time in the world for them. If statistics are to be believed, then it's a very unhappy community. A 40% suicide rate and the majority of those who've made the transition regret it. It's heartbreaking. Seeing the in-crowd on Twitter with their preferred pronouns who've turned the struggle of transgender people into a meme must-have for their social media bios... is just... I don't know what to say.

That's just my opinion though.

Like Malcolm X, I'm deeply suspicious of people who have to take center stage on issues that don't concern them. Rather than letting people speak for themselves, they hog the limelight. It's one thing to raise awareness, it's another to hijack and self-promote. You know, like celebrities and politicians do.

With disabled people, I've been a carer for eleven years. Seen some truly tragic stuff. The fact that these people have to fight tooth and nail for benefits is nothing short of fucking wrong. And the worst part? Neither Conservatives or Liberals give a fuck about them. Both sides are ignorant to the people on the bottom.

On gender equality, I believe that if a man and woman are on the same level then they should be paid equally. For example, male and female surgeons should be paid exactly the same. Should a male staff nurse be paid more than a female surgeon? Absolutely not. Should a female staff nurse be paid more than a male surgeon? Absolutely not. Fuck all that. Again, same level of skill and knowledge, same amount of money. But if you're on about how men earn more than women as a whole, it's because men do more than women. Sewer workers, construction workers, plumbers, electricians, and so on are all high-paying jobs and overwhelmingly male dominated. I mean, shit, they're called "manhole" covers in the streets for a reason. It's not that women can't do those jobs, it's that they choose not to. 



Runa216 said:
I think it needs to be noted that actions speak louder than words. you can SAY you're not bigoted all you want, but when you vote for and support people who campaign on outright bigotry and xenophobia and homophobia, that speaks volumes to your character more than crying foul about being improperly judged ever will. If you don't want to be seen as bigoted, then don't spout hateful rhetoric or support people who do.

And same for those that want others to behave in a certain way and spout this and that about all the different kinds of bad if the only thing making them good is that silly vote then they need to get to work,it is so damn lazy to solely be a keyboardwarrior and the worst thing about it is that it only drives people apart and that judging and belittling makes you rarely convince anyone. I do not know who in here is sincere or not but those that do not actively try to make a difference might just be here to smugly boost their own ego and yeah those are part of the problem.

Also people firstly blindly vote for anything and secondly Trump has many decent people that voted for him too without any hatefull intentions,your image of the world and its people is a bit unrealistic negative imo.