sundin13 said:
EricHiggin said:
Agent J, please, no, please, I beg you.
Orange man bad. We must defeat Drumpf.
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Excuse me while I cross off another space on my Bingo board.
There simply isn't evidence that Biden committed any wrong doing. He was acting in accordance with the entire international community to encourage the removal of an incredibly corrupt prosecutor which is entirely within his purview. This whole claim is made all the more ridiculous when you consider the fact that this prosecutor was not investigating the company that Hunter Biden was involved with at the time, and in fact was one of the largest impediments to the international investigation of said company.
Its a bad argument through and through.
On the other hand, we have incredibly clear evidence of wrongdoing on Trump's part.
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SpokenTruth said:
sundin13 said:
Excuse me while I cross off another space on my Bingo board.
There simply isn't evidence that Biden committed any wrong doing. He was acting in accordance with the entire international community to encourage the removal of an incredibly corrupt prosecutor which is entirely within his purview. This whole claim is made all the more ridiculous when you consider the fact that this prosecutor was not investigating the company that Hunter Biden was involved with at the time, and in fact was one of the largest impediments to the international investigation of said company.
Its a bad argument through and through.
On the other hand, we have incredibly clear evidence of wrongdoing on Trump's part.
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And on the Trump side, you have his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani (who is not a government employee) going to the Ukraine on behalf of Trump to get dirt on Biden and establish a quid pro quo for defense money. Even more messed up is that Trump wants his Attorney General involved in what Trump is spinning as a diplomatic issue. But diplomatic affairs are not under the purview of AG. That is the realm State Department.
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Bofferbrauer2 said:
EricHiggin said:
Agent J, please, no, please, I beg you.
Orange man bad. We must defeat Drumpf.
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Okay, go on, post the evidence that Biden or his son did something wrong. I'm waiting.
Meanwhile, we have proof that Trump and Guiliany did something wrong. He crossed the line of the law, Again.
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Baalzamon said: He did post his evidence. It was that video. Not all evidence is absolute (i.e. a video of Biden actually having a discussion with Ukraine about this scenario).
If a murderers hair is found at a crime scene, they may well be accused and found guilty of the murder, even though nobody actually saw them commit it. All of the events in the video posted are facts. That doesn't necessarily imply Biden is guilty, but it absolutely is...evidence. And it really doesn't look good for Biden either. But people have been saying this for a LONG time and the general population has ignored it, as they seem to when our leaders (besides Trump) abuse their power.
Just because I'll get some, you are just supporting Trump therefore your argument is null. Trump is scummy and guilty as hell. But so is Biden. |
Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:
Hillary + Russia collusion, spun as, Trump + Russia collusion, leads to, a big fat nothing burger, unlike what the Dems and MSM said it would.
Biden&Son threats against Ukraine to hide wrongdoing, spun as, Trump threats against Ukraine to hide wrongdoing. I wonder how this will turn out...
Projection, projection. Guilty until proven innocent? Naw. Guilty by initial finger pointing? Now there's a standard we can get behind!
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Ahhh, so lets say that Biden is guilty of a crime, what does that have anything to do with what Trump did. You are using the same deflection points as Trump and his base but does any of this absolve the what Trump is being accused of.
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I never said Biden committed a crime. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. You can be guilty of many things.
Not sure why the entirety of the evidence is expected this quickly in a case like this. Don't the Reps get a couple months to smear before they start an investigation, and then a couple more years of continued smearing and false allegations, before the final report is released? So hard to keep track of the rules these days.
Giuliani has made it clear he has statements from numerous individuals who tried to get info from Ukraine to the US through the Embassy I believe, and it never made it through. He's going straight to the source to make sure it's heard and documented first hand.
I don't see where Trump said something that makes him guilty of a crime at this point. Since when is informing another country that they might have a problem, and should probably look into it, a problem? Just because it may potentially work out in Trumps favor, makes it a problem? What about the Clinton Foundation and the Dems when it comes to the steel dossier that led to the Russia investigation, which was handled at least partially through Ukraine? What about Biden and Ukraine and how it's coincidentally helping out his son?
If Biden did commit a crime, and he is guilty, then Trump is simply pointing out the possibility to Ukraine so they can look into it. Kinda like preventative maintenance for an assembly plant. Should employee's who see the need for looking into something before it becomes a problem, just shut their mouths and let whatever may happen, happen, as much trouble as it may cause by turning a blind eye? What if by saying something that turns out to be useful, they receive something beneficial to them?
Last edited by EricHiggin - on 26 September 2019