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Machiavellian said:
So, lets talk about Ukraine. Nothing warms my heart than another week of Trump in the news and I have to give it the the President, he seems to always find a way to make each week interesting. With that said, it appears the wonderful people in the White House sent the Dems their talking points concerning the small scandal with Trump call to with the Ukraine President which seems to make all kinds of experts come out with opinions on the situation. So what is everyone take. Does this constitute "High Crime and Misdemeanor" or will fizzy like the Mueller investigation.

This is way stronger than the Mueller investigation. Trump openly admitted to a crime in public statements, as did his lawyer. And the transcript that was released agrees with his public statements, so he's already confessed.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript/

And on top of that, there's this ridiculous accidental email, and a hilarious attempt to recall the email.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/867641/white-house-accidentally-emailed-ukraine-talking-points-nancy-pelosi

Tory Q. Symonds is so fucking fired.

John Oliver was never more right than when he called this whole mess "Stupid Watergate: A potential scandal with all the intrigue of Watergate except that everyone involved is really bad at everything."



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sundin13 said:
I know we haven't really been talking about impeachment much here, but there are a lot of people claiming that the transcript of the call that was released was highly trimmed down. While I think that seems pretty obvious, if you need any more evidence, according to the document, the phone call was thirty minutes long and was condensed to only five pages which would probably take about five minutes to read through.

Yeah it's obvious they're trying to cover up damning critical details in the phone call. There was already so much against him with the Mueller report, at this point I don't think Dems have to worry about 45 in the general, he just took himself out with this one.



 

Hillary + Russia collusion, spun as, Trump + Russia collusion, leads to, a big fat nothing burger, unlike what the Dems and MSM said it would.

Biden&Son threats against Ukraine to hide wrongdoing, spun as, Trump threats against Ukraine to hide wrongdoing. I wonder how this will turn out...

Projection, projection. Guilty until proven innocent? Naw. Guilty by initial finger pointing? Now there's a standard we can get behind!



EricHiggin said:

Biden&Son threats against Ukraine to hide wrongdoing

That isn't what happened though...



sundin13 said:
EricHiggin said:

Biden&Son threats against Ukraine to hide wrongdoing

That isn't what happened though...

Agent J, please, no, please, I beg you.

Orange man bad. We must defeat Drumpf.



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EricHiggin said:

Hillary + Russia collusion, spun as, Trump + Russia collusion, leads to, a big fat nothing burger, unlike what the Dems and MSM said it would.

Biden&Son threats against Ukraine to hide wrongdoing, spun as, Trump threats against Ukraine to hide wrongdoing. I wonder how this will turn out...

Projection, projection. Guilty until proven innocent? Naw. Guilty by initial finger pointing? Now there's a standard we can get behind!

Looks like the Democrats weren't the only ones accidentally emailed the Republican talking points.



EricHiggin said:
sundin13 said:

That isn't what happened though...

Agent J, please, no, please, I beg you.

Orange man bad. We must defeat Drumpf.

Excuse me while I cross off another space on my Bingo board.

There simply isn't evidence that Biden committed any wrong doing. He was acting in accordance with the entire international community to encourage the removal of an incredibly corrupt prosecutor which is entirely within his purview. This whole claim is made all the more ridiculous when you consider the fact that this prosecutor was not investigating the company that Hunter Biden was involved with at the time, and in fact was one of the largest impediments to the international investigation of said company.

Its a bad argument through and through.

On the other hand, we have incredibly clear evidence of wrongdoing on Trump's part.



Here is a copy of the transcripts from the link in Hylian's post.



Not sure what I posted was accurate, so it's gone.

-Nope, it was crap.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

HylianSwordsman said:
The_Yoda said:

Do you really believe that?

It's pretty damn close to 100%, yeah. I'd say the Republicans that have shown the guts to run against Trump in the primary might be somewhat of an exception, though even their politics are pretty damn heartless, so it's more like they just have a spine, they're still pretty much assholes. Maybe Kasich isn't an asshole though. He seemed alright, kind of. Schwarzenegger was also not an asshole. Sure I could dig deep and find a few not assholes, but there's only one party I have to dig all that deep for, the other it isn't really all that hard to find.

Not saying that you are, but if you are visiting echo chambers to find good Dem politicians ... well you get where I'm going.  What was your take on Hillary, did you like her?