Say what?
Science has existed before modern man, while we were still in caves and discovered primitive tools and fire, before we could form coherent sentences and speech, to even comprehend any religious doctrine.

That pegs it to about 1,000,000 years or more. Minimum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_of_fire_by_early_humans

The Christian Religion? (Which is written on paper... A scientific invention...) was 6,000 years ago.

HMMM. Science > Religion.

The Aboriginals of Australia have existed for about 50,000-125,000 years and are genuinely an ancient civilization... It makes your Religion seem new by comparison... Almost like it was invented?
https://www.oldest.org/culture/civilizations/

Better without religion.

We probably wouldn't have had the crusades that wiped out millions.

We probably wouldn't have burned witches at the stake.

We probably wouldn't have attacked the LGBTQI community for thousands if years.

And we wouldn't have science deniers. - Flat Earthers will often reference the Bible to justify their flat-earth beliefs... Others use the Bible to deny evolution and basic geological factoids.

We wouldn't have terrorists who use Religion to kill people today.

So you can bet I stand by the belief we would be better off without religion.

There is no evidence that any of the spiritual hocus-pocus exists... So religion being based on that is irrelevant.

Movies, TV Shows, Books etc' that are fictional are ADVERTISED and KNOWN to be fictional... People aren't trying to pass something off like Independence Day as something that actually occurred in human history like Religion.
So no... They aren't a joke to a free thinking individual.

I disagree that everyone is born selfish and greedy.

Doesn't make indoctrination right.

My position is... That religion is a joke... And should be totally shut down from top to bottom until they can prove their assertions.

Of course fear, control, power and money were the drivers.

Christianity pretty much has a "storefront" in every single town, in every single suburb, in every single city, in every single state, in every single country on every single continent of Planet Earth.

They then have individuals walking around every sunday asking for donations/money.

They have massive influence in our political structure across the planet, even the educational systems.

Christianity uses the fear of death and torture to indoctrinate people into it's religion.

As for religious wars... Here is some reading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

I have provided plenty of examples prior in this thread where Christianity and Islam are not to dissimilar.

Islam is based upon the Bibles Old-Testament teachings... In that, both religions are absolutely similar... And before you say "That is old testament". - I shouldn't need to remind you that there are plenty of Christian denominations that stand by the old testament 100%.

Nor should I need to remind you of New Testament scripture that points to the Old Testament as still being binding.

In-fact... The Bible is a horrific and evil book from start to finish.
Have a read: https://www.evilbible.com/

False. And an apologetic perspective.

Science pretty much refutes the ENTIRE genesis account.

Everyone is born atheist.

Science isn't the cause of climate change, obviously your definition of science actually differs from what it actually is.

Science is an explanation of the nature world.

Cancer has always existed, it's a biological issue.

Miracle testimonies are bullshit. - And are thus not evidence.

I can get testimonies of people who have seen the Earth is flat.

You can explain colour to a blind person, the imagination doesn't stop you know, colour doesn't have to be visual.

And yes you are right... Heaven is a feel-good scenario where a mass-murderer, mass-rapist, pedophiles and so on can "apologize" and get accepted into heaven to live a life of luxury...

Yet a first responder who might have saved thousands of lives might get eternal damnation.

I can see how fair that is. Completely. Yep. Totally.

You cannot tie Science to morality. They are completely different.

The scientific method gave us gunpowder, which originally was used for medical purposes.. It was later that it was used in warfare by those with less than honorable ideas.
Science doesn't control how something gets used, science is about explaining how it works.

Religion is the opposite, it dictates how we should treat others... And like the Bible verses I provided earlier... It doesn't care if it makes statements like telling  men to marry their rape victims. Science doesn't partake in any of that. It doesn't care about morality.

People need to stop trying to tie science to human emotion.

The power of fear does some crazy shit to people, it can throw all rationality out the window.

Take the current Corona virus issue for example.

Christianity uses the fear of death and torture to indoctrinate people into it's religion.

not always, but those who do it is very wrong, that I agree

Science isn't the cause of climate change, obviously your definition of science actually differs from what it actually is. Science is an explanation of the nature world. Cancer has always existed, it's a biological issue.

excuse me? then religion is faith into a higher deity...! what bias, do we take the side-effects of both or we don't? if you criticize religion used in the wrong way you must also criticize science used in the wrong way, or you have no argument-

there are substances we take in and forms of radiation that did not exist before that are proved to cause cancer, tons of them, otherwise cancer would be very rare

Say what?
Science has existed before modern man, while we were still in caves and discovered primitive tools and fire, before we could form coherent sentences and speech, to even comprehend any religious doctrine.

That pegs it to about 1,000,000 years or more. Minimum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_of_fire_by_early_humans

The Christian Religion? (Which is written on paper... A scientific invention...) was 6,000 years ago.

HMMM. Science > Religion.

The Aboriginals of Australia have existed for about 50,000-125,000 years and are genuinely an ancient civilization... It makes your Religion seem new by comparison... Almost like it was invented?
https://www.oldest.org/culture/civilizations/

Better without religion.

We probably wouldn't have had the crusades that wiped out millions.

We probably wouldn't have burned witches at the stake.

We probably wouldn't have attacked the LGBTQI community for thousands if years.

And we wouldn't have science deniers. - Flat Earthers will often reference the Bible to justify their flat-earth beliefs... Others use the Bible to deny evolution and basic geological factoids.

We wouldn't have terrorists who use Religion to kill people today.

So you can bet I stand by the belief we would be better off without religion.

There is no evidence that any of the spiritual hocus-pocus exists... So religion being based on that is irrelevant.

Movies, TV Shows, Books etc' that are fictional are ADVERTISED and KNOWN to be fictional... People aren't trying to pass something off like Independence Day as something that actually occurred in human history like Religion.
So no... They aren't a joke to a free thinking individual.

I disagree that everyone is born selfish and greedy.

Doesn't make indoctrination right.

My position is... That religion is a joke... And should be totally shut down from top to bottom until they can prove their assertions.

Science (or rather the findings of science) and religion can both lead to bad consequences if misapplied.  The difference is the necessity of each.

of course they can, but the reason you underestimate the impact of religion this much is first because you take Jesus teachings for granted/common sense and do not realize the impact they had/have in the world, and second because you as an individual do not need it (I was actually atheist until the age of 25!), religion is the strongest long-term mental help one can have - if done right of course - and scientific studies prove just that!! less religious West Europe countries have higher depression rates than more religious East Europe countries even though they are richer!

Science leads to incredibly positive changes for society (vaccines, antiseptics, psychological breakthroughs, food production, etc.) that cannot be gained through other means.  Sacrificing all of the benefits to eliminate the potential harms would be a devastating loss for society.

of course!! there wouldn't be video games without scientific progress :P the point is that science does not disprove Christianity, therefore there is no damn reason to compare the two, and second, science can cure the body in most cases, but not the mind!! Christianity in its true and pure form can heal the soul

While religion can also lead to benefits (community, charity), these are benefits that we can have without religion.  Studies done on religiosity and quality of life indicate that we can abandon religion without losing very much, and doing so would rid of a lot harm.

without losing much? findings show that religious people are happier and more satisfied with their quality of life than atheists (research done in Christian countries) why on earth would you want to abolish something that is proved to make people happier?

and as I said above, Christianity collapses, values and common sense things that go with it will start to loosen in the decades as it is happening now, people who need religion will move to Islam which will make things very very bad

did you know that there is a 40% increase in cheating related murders since the 90s? this is because as people get less religious, the 6th commandment that forbids cheating is violated!! more divorces, more kids growing up not in a normal family, more mental problems... this is just one example of how the collapse of Christianity will vanish values, and lead to a more 'anything goes' society of mental problems, no thanks :/

I'd also say there is an important distinction between side effects and primary effects.

If we take for instance Christianity, misogyny, prejudice against homosexuality, support of slavery, and so on are not side effects of religion.  They are accurate interpretations of the source material itself. For example, there is a specific commandment to kill a man who lies with another man. This isn't a side effect, it's a primary effect.

in which source material does Christianity support misogyny and slavery? this is very wrong... homosexuality issue is only 5% of the population, so it is a side effect, I need to do more research on it to be fair, but it is not mentioned in the ten commandments, therefore LGBT is not a big sin at all... cheating on your wife/husband is much much worse

there is no commandment in Christianity to kill anyone for Christ's sake! if there is in Islam or smth, yes of course this is unacceptable by all means

On the other hand, science is just a method of finding the most accurate model of reality.  Science for instance finds that we can split atoms and create huge amounts of energy by doing so.  However, there is nothing about the scientific method that commands us to use this knowledge to create bombs and kill people.

very true!! there is nothing in Christianity that orders anyone to do anything bad either, the opposite, it is asking us to not bear a grudge and forgive as much as we can, what a great way to relief your mind from pointless hate and trouble

In other words, science only tells us what we can do.  We can then decide to do evil things.  Religion on the other hand (at least certain ones) actually tells us to do evil things.  

which is why I am against Islam spreading in Christian countries

and as a side note, the current generation has grown up being told that previous generations were being brainwashed to believe in Jesus, and now they think they are special and rebels by not doing so

this is laughable, cause they have grown up being fed with propaganda, see the good in everything except Christianity which they attack brutally but defend Muslims like there is no tomorrow, wtf is wrong with people

things have changed, the real rebels now are those who keep their faith and values against all the useless crap being forced onto us 24/7, see the good in everything and appreciate that we live in Jesus inspired countries above all

there is statistically increasing depression in young people, even though they have all they need to be happy, they have science and technology but it's never enough

Did science precisely predict this Covid outbreak? Has is saved us all from it since?

You're too focused on the religion and science, when the point here was the free individual that's accepting or denying what those offer.

You have some who are 100% all in on religion, which then goes against science, while you also have some who are 100% all in on science, which goes against religion.

If certain religion and it's one and only God's teachings aren't useful, then why should science and it's "God particle" be the one and only that's useful?

One and only one being useful and all others being discarded is Nazi type thinking, no matter the subject, and look what that type of thinking led to. 

Like what was said before, what's important is improving where possible when failures occur.

"Science doesn't control how something gets used"

Well it couldn't since again science is not a noun, science is a verb, an action and actions are obviously informed by philosophy when it comes to sentient beings 

"it dictates how we should treat others"

all of the philosophy on the left when it comes to how society should be governed is atheistic and largely determined by what leftists would claim is science, do you disagree with that?

for example, when leftists say we should eat the rich, they claim this idea is based in scientific models showing increasing inequality correct?

You did not comprehend a single point I made and proceeded to prove my emphasized statement.

Yes, science is saving tons of lives of those impacted by COVID 19. How many has religion saved? Oh right, people continued to have religious gatherings and now entire churches have COVID 19. 

No scientist refers to the Higgs boson as "god particle" - a media name only.

Discarding bad and unreliable epistemologies (methods to determine what is true) is what rational thinkers do. Only if a method works ought we retain it.

Prayer is equally as effective as tossing a coin in a wishing well, which is to say that it is no more effective than doing literally nothing at all.

You did not comprehend a single point I made and proceeded to prove my emphasized statement.

Yes, science is saving tons of lives of those impacted by COVID 19. How many has religion saved? Oh right, people continued to have religious gatherings and now entire churches have COVID 19. 

No scientist refers to the Higgs boson as "god particle" - a media name only.

Discarding bad and unreliable epistemologies (methods to determine what is true) is what rational thinkers do. Only if a method works ought we retain it.

Prayer is equally as effective as tossing a coin in a wishing well, which is to say that it is no more effective than doing literally nothing at all.

Not really sure how you would confuse secular with atheistic either...