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vivster said:
“I just can’t be bothered with people who chose to treat me like this. It’s really annoying. Like, I — . You’re acting like a bunch of n*****s, just so you know. You act like white n*****s. Exactly how you describe black people acting is the impression I get dealing with the Alt Right. I’m really, I’m just not in the mood to deal with this kind of disrespect.”
“Look, you carry on, but don’t expect me to then have a debate with one of your f**gots.…Like why would I bother?…Maybe you’re just acting like a n****r, mate? Have you considered that? Do you think white people act like this? White people are meant to be polite and respectful to one another, and you guys can’t even act like white people, it’s really amazing to me.”

That is a clear breach of Patreon ToS.  What exactly is the issue here?  He agreed not to do that when he signed up and he did it anyway.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

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Puppyroach said:
betacon said:

It most certainly does, these people were removed because the platform doesn't agree with them not because they broke the terms of agreement, that is far worse than the baker case. It's out right fascism and not the pretend meaning modern liberals use, like calling anyone right wing a nazi. Just like with the baker case just go to another service they will happily feel the void that's created by that bigotry.

 

Okay cool I got it discrimination is acceptable when the left decide if it's okay or not, it's either all okay or none

But isn't that exactly the case with the baker? He refused service because of his beliefs, not because they broke some kind of agreement .Patreon at least clarifies that when you sign up, you accept their position (even though I don't agree with it). And stop using incorrect words like fascism, even I as a non-english speaker knows that is not related to this situation at all.

 

Society is never all-or-nothing, that is why we make judgements. There is a difference between discrimination based on how you were born and what opinions you have squired, but it's up to society to decide whether or not that discrimination should be treated equally or seperate. The same goes with free speech: according to your reasoning there shouldn't be any punishment if I shouted "bomb!" in a cinema, I'm just practicing my free speech? Ofcourse there are differences, what liberals often do is to actually discuss things that we accept today compared to things that we don't accept that were obviously acceptabel in the past. That doesn't mean everything changes, but we need to discuss and debate things in society and not always agree.

" And stop using incorrect words like fascism"

fascism is the suppression of opposition by an authority figure... how else do you define what is happening here?

 

" but we need to discuss and debate things in society and not always agree."

how is that achieved by suppressing people who we disagree with? as is happening here?



SpokenTruth said:
vivster said:
“I just can’t be bothered with people who chose to treat me like this. It’s really annoying. Like, I — . You’re acting like a bunch of n*****s, just so you know. You act like white n*****s. Exactly how you describe black people acting is the impression I get dealing with the Alt Right. I’m really, I’m just not in the mood to deal with this kind of disrespect.”
“Look, you carry on, but don’t expect me to then have a debate with one of your f**gots.…Like why would I bother?…Maybe you’re just acting like a n****r, mate? Have you considered that? Do you think white people act like this? White people are meant to be polite and respectful to one another, and you guys can’t even act like white people, it’s really amazing to me.”

That is a clear breach of Patreon ToS.  What exactly is the issue here?  He agreed not to do that when he signed up and he did it anyway.

how is it a clear breach?



Megiddo said:
o_O.Q said:

you don't need a computer to suvive either, so why can't we take your computer, sell it and give that money to a homeless person?

why do you have a right to possess your computer when there are others who are in need of your resources more?

As a consumer he bought the computer.

As far as I can tell with this case, nothing that Sam Harris bought is being taken away.

Patreon's legal agreement has this stipulation:

We can terminate or suspend your account at any time at our discretion. We can also cancel any pledges and remove any content or rewards at our discretion.

 

Do you see that? Patreon doesn't even need a reason to terminate an account. They have full discretion to do whatever the hell they please as it is their platform/website and they are in charge.

as expected you missed my point entirely



o_O.Q said:
betacon said:

Nothing other than being right winged and the Pateron not wanting him to have a platform to spread his opinion.

sargon of akkad is not right wing

its very scary that anyone who is not pc and for increasing government substantially is now automatically right wing... very scary indeed

 

https://patreonhq.com/hate-speech-on-patreon-a9026e52c2cf

“I just can’t be bothered with people who chose to treat me like this. It’s really annoying. Like, I — . You’re acting like a bunch of n*****s, just so you know. You act like white n*****s. Exactly how you describe black people acting is the impression I get dealing with the Alt Right. I’m really, I’m just not in the mood to deal with this kind of disrespect.”
“Look, you carry on, but don’t expect me to then have a debate with one of your f**gots.…Like why would I bother?…Maybe you’re just acting like a n****r, mate? Have you considered that? Do you think white people act like this? White people are meant to be polite and respectful to one another, and you guys can’t even act like white people, it’s really amazing to me.”

 

You call that „not PC“. I call it racist. Tbh THAT‘s what is scary to me!



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o_O.Q said:
SpokenTruth said:

That is a clear breach of Patreon ToS.  What exactly is the issue here?  He agreed not to do that when he signed up and he did it anyway.

how is it a clear breach?

So you didn't read the link.  Not surprised.

I'll type it out here for you.

  • Is the creator using racial slurs or negative depictions of a protected class?


Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:
o_O.Q said:

how is it a clear breach?

So you didn't read the link.  Not surprised.

I'll type it out here for you.

  • Is the creator using racial slurs or negative depictions of a protected class?

so rappers aren't allowed on patreon? why are you discriminating against black people like that?

i hope its starting to dawn on you why its not the brightest idea to support this bullshit

but i doubt it, it'll only hit you once it affects you personally, which i can guarantee you will happen eventually

Last edited by o_O.Q - on 20 December 2018

Errorist76 said:
o_O.Q said:

sargon of akkad is not right wing

its very scary that anyone who is not pc and for increasing government substantially is now automatically right wing... very scary indeed

 

You call that „not PC“. I call it racist. Tbh THAT‘s what is scary to me!

well i was speaking generally, not about what sargon of akkad wrote

but regardless what exactly was racist about that passage?

at this point "You act like white n*****s" its pretty clear that he's not using that word to target a racial group, so can you clarify for me where you see racism?



o_O.Q said:
SpokenTruth said:

So you didn't read the link.  Not surprised.

I'll type it out here for you.

  • Is the creator using racial slurs or negative depictions of a protected class?

so rappers aren't allowed on patreon? why are you discriminating against black people like that?

Are you really going to be this ignorant right now?  Seriously?  Do you have no understanding whatsoever of context, relevancy and purpose?



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

Taking what the guy said out context just to call him a racist. Such damning evidence. The guy was directing those racial slurs at literal Nazis, kinda like how I call homophobes "gay" to their faces because it drives them mad. Am I a homophobe now?

I don't have a problem with Patreon de-platforming Sargon by the way, all I see here is an opportunity for a competitors to compete with Patreon and leverage what happened to their advantage.

Hats off to Sam Harris, who had one of the top grossing-accounts on Patreon. I also didn't realize Sam Harris needed an introduction, but maybe me being a big fan made me think he's a well-known person.