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Two prominent members of the so-called Intellectual Dark Web are considering drastic action after popular crowdfunding platform Patreon removed a slew of conservative accounts over speech issues.

Free speech advocate Jordan Peterson and podcaster Sam Harris are striking back after Patreon removed popular YouTuber Carl Benjamin, aka Sargon of Akkad. Peterson, a clinical psychologist by trade, is brainstorming alternatives to the site while Harris deleted his account entirely.

“We’ve been engaged in lengthy series of email exchanges with all of the people in our network, and no one is happy at all with what’s been happening,” Peterson said in a videoreleased Sunday. “We’ve been determining what our options are. We looked at Subscribe Star, but it looks like PayPal decided to cut funding out from them.”

“While the company insists that each was in violation of its terms of service, these recent expulsions seem more readily explained by political bias,” Harris added. “Although I don’t share the politics of the banned members, I consider it no longer tenable to expose any part of my podcast funding to the whims of Patreon’s ‘Trust and Safety’ committee.”

Peterson, for his part, is a die-hard free speech advocate, despite having targeted some critics with lawsuits. He alleged in June that faculty at Wilfrid Laurier University defamed him when they dressed-down a teaching assistant for showing a video of Peterson debating gender-neutral pronouns with an opponent. (RELATED: Jordan Peterson Threatens To Sue Feminist Professor Who Called Him An Incel)

Peterson gained fame during the past two years partially because of his criticisms of political correctness. He has also been critical of global warming alarmism, and earlier in 2018 said “you can’t trust the data” because of the politicization in climate science.

Patreon did not immediately respond to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/17/jordan-peterson-sam-harris-patreon/

 


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I was asked to add more to the OP. My take on the matter: I don't have a problem with Patreon de-platforming Sargon, all I see here is an opportunity for a competitors to compete with Patreon and leverage what happened to their advantage.

Hats off to Sam Harris, who had one of the top grossing-accounts on Patreon. I didn't realize Sam Harris needed an introduction, but here we go; Sam Harris is a neuroscientist, philosopher, and best-selling author, one of the few people on the left with sensible views on Islam and Muslims. 

Sargon is a political commentator, listening to him I don't know if he leans left or right. He used racial slurs to insult a Nazi and Patreon decided that was enough to de-platform him. Sargon isn't a racist.

I personally have a habit of calling homophobes "gay" to their faces because it drives them mad. Am I a homophobe now?

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So a free speech advocate is so mad that a private entity is enforcing their terms of service that he closes his account with them.

Ok.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:
So a free speech advocate is so mad that a private entity is enforcing their terms of service that he closes his account with them.

Ok.

Yes. They don't have to use the platform sooooo, bye bye.




SpokenTruth said:
So a free speech advocate is so mad that a private entity is enforcing their terms of service that he closes his account with them.

Ok.

Bullshit, Patreon was simply designed as a middle man that allows people to support content creators. This worked great for people with conservative, libertarian, or anything considered right leaning. These are the views pushed aside by mass media.

All of a sudden we many major media platforms trying to put the kibosh on this because they tend to be run by people with left leaning views. Essentially we have a monopoly on what views and speech are okay on the biggest platforms. They're supposed to just be platforms, they even get government protections for simply being platforms. They didn't become major platforms for banning people with opposing views, they became major platforms then decided to control speech. Essentially these companies got something of a monopoly and now abuse their power and they collude.

The only way you can neglect something so obvious is because you support their cause, you want them to silence your enemies.



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OTBWY said:
SpokenTruth said:
So a free speech advocate is so mad that a private entity is enforcing their terms of service that he closes his account with them.

Ok.

Yes. They don't have to use the platform sooooo, bye bye.

The best case scenario is the abuse of major platforms is going to help competitors thrive.

But when we see major domain provider, credit card companies, Paypal, and other companies that arguably have some sort of monopoly refusing to work with people. That's when we have a real problem and it does happen. Again, they didn't pull this shit when they were creating their platform, only after they thrived and crushed competitors.



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Mr Puggsly said:
SpokenTruth said:
So a free speech advocate is so mad that a private entity is enforcing their terms of service that he closes his account with them.

Ok.

Bullshit, Patreon was simply designed as a middle man that allows people to support content creators. This worked great for people with conservative, libertarian, or anything considered right leaning. These are the views pushed aside by mass media.

All of a sudden we many major media platforms trying to put the kibosh on this because they tend to be run by people with left leaning views. Essentially we have a monopoly on what views and speech are okay on the biggest platforms. They're supposed to just be platforms, they even get government protections for simply being platforms. They didn't become major platforms for banning people with opposing views, they became major platforms then decided to control speech. Essentially these companies got something of a monopoly and now abuse their power and they collude.

The only way you can neglect something so obvious is because you support their cause, you want them to silence your enemies.

Then were are the major right leaning platforms?  Or can only left leaning people create such things?



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Mr Puggsly said:
OTBWY said:

Yes. They don't have to use the platform sooooo, bye bye.

The best case scenario is the abuse of major platforms is going to help competitors thrive.

But when we see major domain provider, credit card companies, Paypal, and other companies that arguably have some sort of monopoly refusing to work with people. That's when we have a real problem and it does happen. Again, they didn't pull this shit when they were creating their platform, only after they thrived and crushed competitors.

Free market bro.




SpokenTruth said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Bullshit, Patreon was simply designed as a middle man that allows people to support content creators. This worked great for people with conservative, libertarian, or anything considered right leaning. These are the views pushed aside by mass media.

All of a sudden we many major media platforms trying to put the kibosh on this because they tend to be run by people with left leaning views. Essentially we have a monopoly on what views and speech are okay on the biggest platforms. They're supposed to just be platforms, they even get government protections for simply being platforms. They didn't become major platforms for banning people with opposing views, they became major platforms then decided to control speech. Essentially these companies got something of a monopoly and now abuse their power and they collude.

The only way you can neglect something so obvious is because you support their cause, you want them to silence your enemies.

Then were are the major right leaning platforms?  Or can only left leaning people create such things?

The alternatives gets shut down by far left activists. See Gab and SubscribeStar



Is this as legitimate as the "bias" Facebook, Twitter and Google have?

I have a feeling Patreon will be fine.



melbye said:
SpokenTruth said:

Then were are the major right leaning platforms?  Or can only left leaning people create such things?

The alternatives gets shut down by far left activists. See Gab and SubscribeStar

Bingo, Google and Apple have also removed apps or platforms from their own stores simply because they opposed views being shared on them.



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