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Forums - Microsoft Discussion - Report- MS working on 2 next-gen Scarlett family consoles for release Holiday 2020, handheld gaming peripherals with Razer

Note: The pricing is speculation by me, it's not included in the report. 

-The first console, codenamed Lockhart, is designed to succeed the Xbox One S. It is said to have similar specs to Xbox One X (but most likely with a low-end Ryzen CPU since Jaguar won't cut it for next gen gaming). The goal is for it to play next-gen games at 1080p most likely. Launch price probably around $350 since it will basically be a slightly improved Xbox One X.

-The 2nd console, codenamed Anaconda, is designed to succeed Xbox One X. This is very likely the Ryzen + Navi native 4k 60 FPS console we've heard rumors of. Launch price will probably be $500.

-MS is exploring the possibility of using SSD's to cut down on loading times next gen (most likely using small SSD's for cache purposes alongside a physical hard drive, since an SSD large enough to hold multiple next-gen games would be too expensive for a console)

-MS is partnering with Razer and other accessory companies to design controller peripherals for playing Xbox games on your phone with Project xCloud streaming, and possibly even a dedicated streaming handheld.

-MS is working on a new OS called Game Core, which will allow full backwards compatibility with Xbox One, as well as 360 and OG Xbox games that are backwards compatible. The new OS is more similar to Windows and should make it easier for developers to release a game on both Scarlett and Windows 10. 

-The rumored discless Xbox One S is still planned for 2019 with an announce as early as January. MS plans to offer a disc to digital conversion program at retailers. Their sources say that disc-drive models will remain an option next-gen, possibly alongside discless models. 

https://www.windowscentral.com/what-does-next-gen-look-xbox-here-are-latest-rumors

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Anaconda ? That is one Alpha male codename XD



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dx11332sega said:
Anaconda ? That is one Alpha male codename XD

It's kind of fitting, Phil recently said that they plan to have the most powerful console again next-gen. In the dick-measuring contest of console specs, it will be funny to see MS come in with an "Anaconda"



Scarlet, Anaconda, Lock hart??? I am confuse.

I believe Scarlet are the family names of all the future Xbox devices on one environment. One of the device will be Anaconda for premium one 500 USD (i bet it will not be that far from Lockhart spec) . The normal one will be Lockhart which is just another Xbox One X on slim factor that can play Anaconda games on 1080p .

The problem is for Anaconda , calling it premium is overstatement , because Xbox One X to Xbox One S tech is over 2 generation leap. Comparing Lockhart to Anaconda is just like comparing Xbox One to PS4. And cannot be compared to Xbox On to Xbox One X.

And also if LockHart is going to play Anaconda games at 1080 p games, why wouldn't they just release Anaconda games on Xbox One X and make it run at 1080p???



HollyGamer said:
Scarlet, Anaconda, Lock hart??? I am confuse.

I believe Scarlet are the family names of all the future Xbox devices on one environment. One of the device will be Anaconda for premium one 500 USD (i bet it will not be that far from Lockhart spec) . The normal one will be Lockhart which is just another Xbox One X on slim factor that can play Anaconda games on 1080p .

The problem is for Anaconda , calling it premium is overstatement , because Xbox One X to Xbox One S tech is over 2 generation leap. Comparing Lockhart to Anaconda is just like comparing Xbox One to PS4. And cannot be compared to Xbox On to Xbox One X.

And also if LockHart is going to play Anaconda games at 1080 p games, why wouldn't they just release Anaconda games on Xbox One X and make it run at 1080p???

Yes, Scarlett is the family name for all next-gen Xbox projects it seems, while Lockhart is the weaker next-gen console and Anaconda is the stronger next-gen console. In terms of specs, Anaconda is rumored to be quite a bit above XB1 X and Lockhart actually, we've heard rumors of it having at least a 12 tflop Navi GPU, which is double the 6 tflop GPU in XB1 X on paper (and probably more than double in real world performance when you take architectural improvements on Navi into consideration), and I wouldn't be surprised if it has 16 GB of GDDR6 memory as opposed to 12 GB of GDDR5 in XB1 X and Lockhart.

Not sure what you mean on the 2nd paragraph.

Most likely because the weak Jaguar CPU in XB1 X can't handle next-gen games without causing framerate issues, we've already seen several current gen games having issues caused by the weak Jaguar CPU's, those issues will only be worse next-gen with games being optimized for the Ryzen CPU's in Anaconda and PS5. I'm assuming that Lockhart is going to have the XB1 X GPU and memory paired with a low-end Ryzen CPU which should prevent any CPU bottlenecks from happening. Lockhart kind of feels like a middle finger to XB1 X buyers for sure though, and it is exactly why MS should have used a Ryzen CPU in XB1 X to start with even if they had to sell at a small loss to do it, so that it could have played next-gen games at 1080p with no issues.

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So there could be four different Xbox devices on the market at once? Okay.

Are the X1X and low end Scarlett going to be around $300 at the same time?

Meh, I guess the goal is to have all bases covered. But I still think X1 is gonna stay relevant in some form for years into the 9th gen.



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Mr Puggsly said:
So there could be four different Xbox devices on the market at once? Okay.

Are the X1X and low end Scarlett going to be around $300 at the same time?

Meh, I guess the goal is to have all bases covered. But I still think X1 is gonna stay relevant in some form for years into the 9th gen.

That's what it looks like, but maybe they plan to only support XB1 S and X with cross-gen games for a year or so.

They will probably discontinue X in 2020 if Lockhart is basically an X with a few improvements like Windows Central's sources suggest, and drop any remaining X stock down to $250 to clear it out. There would literally be no reason for somebody to buy an X instead of Lockhart if they are about the same price but X can't play next-gen games like Lockhart can. S meanwhile will likely keep selling for $150 or so until it is discontinued around 2022 most likely. 



shikamaru317 said:
HollyGamer said:
Scarlet, Anaconda, Lock hart??? I am confuse.

I believe Scarlet are the family names of all the future Xbox devices on one environment. One of the device will be Anaconda for premium one 500 USD (i bet it will not be that far from Lockhart spec) . The normal one will be Lockhart which is just another Xbox One X on slim factor that can play Anaconda games on 1080p .

The problem is for Anaconda , calling it premium is overstatement , because Xbox One X to Xbox One S tech is over 2 generation leap. Comparing Lockhart to Anaconda is just like comparing Xbox One to PS4. And cannot be compared to Xbox On to Xbox One X.

And also if LockHart is going to play Anaconda games at 1080 p games, why wouldn't they just release Anaconda games on Xbox One X and make it run at 1080p???

Yes, Scarlett is the family name for all next-gen Xbox projects it seems, while Lockhart is the weaker next-gen console and Anaconda is the stronger next-gen console. In terms of specs, Anaconda is rumored to be quite a bit above XB1 X and Lockhart actually, we've heard rumors of it having at least a 12 tflop Navi GPU, which is double the 6 tflop GPU in XB1 X on paper (and probably more than double in real world performance when you take architectural improvements on Navi into consideration), and I wouldn't be surprised if it has 16 GB of GDDR6 memory as opposed to 12 GB of GDDR5 in XB1 X and Lockhart.

Not sure what you mean on the 2nd paragraph.

Most likely because the weak Jaguar CPU in XB1 X can't handle next-gen games without causing framerate issues, we've already seen several current gen games having issues caused by the weak Jaguar CPU's, those issues will only be worse next-gen with games being optimized for the Ryzen CPU's in Anaconda and PS5. I'm assuming that Lockhart is going to have the XB1 X GPU and memory paired with a low-end Ryzen CPU which should prevent any CPU bottlenecks from happening. Lockhart kind of feels like a middle finger to XB1 X buyers for sure though, and it is exactly why MS should have used a Ryzen CPU in XB1 X to start with even if they had to sell at a small loss to do it, so that it could have played next-gen games at 1080p with no issues.

Trying to comparing Anaconda to  Xbox One X  is not correct , because Xbox Scorpio (X) technology to the original Xbox One is 2 generation leap . It means to be comparable and to be called premium it need two generational leap like Xbox One X is. Remember Xbox One is 1,3 teraflpo with the price 300 USD while Xbox One X is 6 teraflop with  500 USD in 4 years gap.  

Anaconda can be called premium if it 4 years gap , it's not just the price. But they can make it premium if it's price around 1000 USD. Because Xbox One X if it was released in 2013 it would have been price around 1000 USD. 

Last edited by HollyGamer - on 17 December 2018

shikamaru317 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
So there could be four different Xbox devices on the market at once? Okay.

Are the X1X and low end Scarlett going to be around $300 at the same time?

Meh, I guess the goal is to have all bases covered. But I still think X1 is gonna stay relevant in some form for years into the 9th gen.

That's what it looks like, but maybe they plan to only support XB1 S and X with cross-gen games for a year or so.

They will probably discontinue X in 2020 if Lockhart is basically an X with a few improvements like Windows Central's sources suggest, and drop any remaining X stock down to $250 to clear it out. There would literally be no reason for somebody to buy an X instead of Lockhart if they are about the same price but X can't play next-gen games like Lockhart can. S meanwhile will likely keep selling for $150 or so until it is discontinued around 2022 most likely. 

I imagine they would want to discontinue the X1S first given that would become the most difficult to support over time and is already getting some underwhelming ports. I don't think they want to sell it for $149 either. Instead I feel like they would just push the X1X at $249, maybe there would be a remodel to make it cheaper to produce as well.

In that scenario, the entry option of X1X at $249 should be capable of playing modern games well at 1080p (or higher) with potentially reduced performance due to the dated CPU. While the Scarlett consoles will be priced higher at $349 and $499.



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for X1X (4/5) - Rage for 360 (3/5) - Streets of Rage 4 for X1/PC (4/5) - Gears 5 for X1X (5/5) - Mortal Kombat 11 for X1X (5/5) - Doom 64 for N64 (emulator) (3/5) - Crackdown 3 for X1S/X1X (4/5) - Infinity Blade III - for iPad 4 (3/5) - Infinity Blade II - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Infinity Blade - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Wolfenstein: The Old Blood for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Origins for X1 (3/5) - Uncharted: Lost Legacy for PS4 (4/5) - EA UFC 3 for X1 (4/5) - Doom for X1 (4/5) - Titanfall 2 for X1 (4/5) - Super Mario 3D World for Wii U (4/5) - South Park: The Stick of Truth for X1 BC (4/5) - Call of Duty: WWII for X1 (4/5) -Wolfenstein II for X1 - (4/5) - Dead or Alive: Dimensions for 3DS (4/5) - Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite for X1 (3/5) - Halo Wars 2 for X1/PC (4/5) - Halo Wars: DE for X1 (4/5) - Tekken 7 for X1 (4/5) - Injustice 2 for X1 (4/5) - Yakuza 5 for PS3 (3/5) - Battlefield 1 (Campaign) for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Syndicate for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: MW Remastered for X1 (4/5) - Donkey Kong Country Returns for 3DS (4/5) - Forza Horizon 3 for X1 (5/5)

Good for them! We need a proper hardware cycle and not "generations".



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