"The US and China are reportedly among 20 countries attempting to prevent Britain from agreeing a fast-track deal with the World Trade Organisation (WTO) on its post-Brexit terms of trade with the rest of the world. Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, admitted several WTO members had “expressed reservations” about the government’s plan to stay on terms similar to those it still enjoys as a member of the European Union (EU). Britain is a full member of the WTO, but its membership is bound up with the EU, meaning it has to come to an independent agreement with the trade body." - Alan Marr (YT)


LMAO....
Give us WTO rules then!

That might not even happend jan 1st 2021.
Apparently theres 20+ countries blocking the UK, amoung them the USA and China.
Claiming the only reason the UK was part of it (WTO membership) was bound to the EU being in.

This means the UK will have to apply for a membership to the WTO and first get accepted into it again.

Because of this mess the UK has, where there will be a 6month time window without controll of its borders (their own trade minster claims such).....
and smuggleing issues, I could see them getting rejected.

What happends then?

No planes will be able to land in britain, neither fly from, people will starve in the streets as no food will be able to arrive in the island. Hospitals will get rioted by people looking for medicines. All companies will leave britain. Scotland will get their independance and Ireland will be reunited. Churchill statue will be teared down finally. A reverse Dunkirk will happen with people fleeing for EU, which of course will shut its borders leaving the brits to die at the beach suffering with the outbreak of gonorrhea as they didnt have medication to treat it. 

At the very end, EU will use it as an example for any country trying to leave the union, while it proceeds with it's plans to add more countries to the union and finally implementing fiscal union. It will be clear that it will be impossible for any country to leave, ever.

A joke reply.
But its a very real situation.... and I ment it as a real question.

What happends if the UK leaves the EU, and cannot even get WTO membership?
How much power does China and USA have over the WTO? and if their against the UK just joining because it used to have membership through being apart of the EU (which it isnt now) and will have to reapply to get membership (which it might not get, due to not haveing border controll).

What happends?

What happends to a UK that cannot get WTO membership as soon as it crashes out of the EU (jan 1st 2021).

edit:

This is from jan 2019:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/27/uk-cannot-simply-trade-on-wto-terms-after-no-deal-brexit-say-experts

"The UK will be unable to have frictionless, tariff-free trade under World Trade Organization rules for up to seven years in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to two leading European Union law specialists.

The ensuing chaos could double food prices and plunge Britain into a recession that could last up to 30 years, claim the lawyers who acted for Gina Miller in the historic case that forced the government to seek parliament’s approval to leave the EU.

It has been claimed that the UK could simply move to WTO terms if there is no deal with the EU. But Anneli Howard, a specialist in EU and competition law at Monckton Chambers and a member of the bar’s Brexit working group, believes this isn’t true.

“No deal means leaving with nothing,” she said. “The anticipated recession will be worse than the 1930s, let alone 2008. It is impossible to say how long it would go on for. Some economists say 10 years, others say the effects could be felt for 20 or even 30 years: even ardent Brexiters agree it could be decades.”

There are two apparently insurmountable hurdles to the UK trading on current WTO tariffs in the event of Britain crashing out in March, said Howard.Firstly, the UK must produce its own schedule covering both services and each of the 5,000-plus product lines covered in the WTO agreement and get it agreed by all the 163 WTO states.

A number of states have already raised objections to the UK’s draft schedule: 20 over goods and three over services.

To make it more complicated, there are no “default terms” Britain can crash out on, Howard said, while at the same time, the UK has been blocked by WTO members from simply relying on the EU’s “schedule” – its existing tariffs and tariff-free trade quotas.

The second hurdle is the sheer volume of domestic legislation that would need to be passed before being able to trade under WTO rules: there are nine statutes and 600 statutory instruments that would need to be adopted.

The government cannot simply cut and paste the 120,000 EU statutes into UK law and then make changes to them gradually, Howard said. “The UK will need to set up new enforcement bodies and transfer new powers to regulators to create our own domestic regimes,” she said.

“Basic maths shows that we will run out of time but any gap in our system will create uncertainty or conflict,” said Howard. “Some of these regimes carry penalties such as fines – even criminal offences in some sectors.”

“Negotiating and ratifying the international free trade deals with the rest of the world alone could take over seven years,” she said.

“A no-deal Brexit could double prices for some products like meat and dairy. There is also a greater risk of trade disputes and sanctions, resulting in reduced market access for UK businesses.

“It’s not just about money,” she said. “We are dependent on imports for a lot of things that we don’t make any more or don’t make enough of, or simply cannot make as they are patented or subject to rules of origin – like lifesaving drugs, radioactive isotopes, chemicals (such as helium for MRI scans), medical equipment, chemicals, electricity, petrol, even milk. Shortages and delays could cause panic buying or even civil unrest.”

Howard dismissed ideas of a transition period enabling a “gradual transition” to WTO rules as “unicorns”. “The UK will have to start negotiating over 50 free trade agreements from scratch once we leave the EU. In the meantime we will have to pay tariffs.”"

Back in jan 2019, 23 nations didnt agree to UK just getting membership of WTO, due to concerns over goods&services.
Apparently these remain until today.

Its getting serious now right? what happends jan 1st?

UK will just have to accept it losses access to certain market items, even ones it might need?
Ontop of tariffs that could on certain items double their prices?

Great, sounds fun.

Nice reading, didnt know about the WTO blocking, I will get back to it later today

10,000+ be being kept in slave-like conditions in factories in Leicester:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSHyRMpKaBs

"Lester isnt the only city where this is happending, a report based on police record, has found that britain has atleast 100,000 slaves"

"Everybody knew" about Leicester sweatshops before they were uncovered - Leicester MP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sD8vSibGUw

Wow.... UK.... 3£ pr hour workers, basically forced to work or starve.... in sweat shops, as modern day slaves.
Also the cash their given (in hand) is laundred from drug trade...

Apparently "everyone" in Leicester new about it, and just ignored it.
Hell one of these sweatshops is right next to a police station, the salves walk past it atleast twice a day.


This is why the EU wanted equal rights & worker protections, as a agreement.
They dont want the UK to become some slave worker state, that undermines the production in EU that uses fair wages and treats their workers better.

Why wouldn't the UK sign a bill stateing they are okay with treating theirs as well as the EU does?
Unless the plan is in future they wont?

100000 of such sweatshop slaves in the UK???

That's just disgusting!

Your profile says Italian. I assume you've been treated OK since the vote?

We were supposed to have holocausted you guys and the Polish because of how racist us and Boris are. You should have been arrested and deported at least.

I only became a hard Brexiteer when the other side got carried away with the lies. It became ridiculous. Literal apocalypse. At that point I didn't give a fuck. The whole establishment lined up to parrot the apocalypse line and I stopped listening to any Remain arguments. I know the downsides and possible upsides but when you're told you're doomed and you can't survive without some Commission in Brussels some people would rather die trying. I'm a free trader but CV has made me more protectionist. Silly really given that China-reliant supply chains quickly sorted themselves out after some initial madness.

I want a closer Europe but don't believe the EU allows the nations to play to their strengths. I'm in favour of Scottish independence too. The irony is it's England being held back by Scotland (and Wales and Northern Ireland). Scotland's potential fishing industry is worth way more (to the Gov) than the oil is especially when it's being sold at negative $30. When I say 'Europe (exUK) hasn't done anything of value recently', what I'm really saying is the US has been carrying Europe since pre-WW2.

I think most of the West has fell for the same debt trick that brings all empires/nations down eventually. I'm disappointed that all it took was greed, ambition for status and political expediency instead of a national/continental war for survival/dominance and I'm well aware that the UK is royally fucked in a Chinese world compared to the rest of Europe. I think Brexit resulted in China moving ahead of schedule on Hong Kong (as predicted). Without the threat of EU sanctions, the US sanctions become less effective and the dial moves away from US dominance to the multi-polar world China wants before they sweep Europe aside. 

Nothing was said because making complaints about anything that involves non-white people is automatically racist or comes from a place of privilege.

Critical race theory and queer theory are the new golden calves that not only can't be criticised but anything that might lead to their criticism has to be shut down too.

I'm a great example of filthy job stealing immigrant. Born and raised in Brazil, but since my father has italian citizenship (he is also born in brazil but got it later) I was able to get my Italian citizenship which then gave me the right to live and work in UK. Do I agree with that? No way that's ridiculous, I dont even speak Italian and will never lived there. But since my mid 20's I had the dream of living in UK (sounds weird but its a long story).

So even after brexit me and my wife decided to keep with our plans and move to UK in 2017. Soooooooooooooo many people said I was crazy to leave my great job, my fully paid apartment behind and go to a place where I would be considered an immigrant, brexiteers would beat me up in the tube, and UK would see the worst recession in it's history. I knew it was just not true and a huge exaggeration.

I couldnt be happier and I wish I came here 10 years earlier (Im 39 now), me and my wife found jobs pretty quickly and I have the same position I used to have in Brazil in working for a British company. The british treat me really well and to be honest, not only at work but also in the neighborhood for some reason I get along better with the british than with EU/Asian people. I got really impressed on how chatty the british can be especially older people. Speak the fucking language, respect the local culture instead of trying impose yours, understand you are an immigrant so certain things will be more difficult and you should be alright. Fuck even the weather is not that bad since I live in east anglia.

Been here for 3 years, in two more will get permanent settled status and later citizenship. Couldnt be hapier. And Boris can be many things, but not a homophobe and a racist.

This is so true. Just learned one year ago about the grooming gangs in Rochdale and other places and how the police knew about it for decades. But decided to not do anything because they were afraid of the backlash. So many girls were raped, it's absolutely crazy that thing happened in a developed country.