325 million US citizens

12 million illegals

3% of the population

Mainly retrogression. During Obama's admin they clamped down on immigrant applications. Then we got hit by multiple issues due to their change of procedures and protocols. My father getting diagnosed with cancer on the 8th year of waiting for our petition. This made us adjust our immigrant application to separate my application as I my application was tied with my father. Basically a lot of complicated stuff.

My mother was in United States for 10 years all by herself. It was painful and depressing at times but I did not hate the immigration policy changes. I always understood that applying to be an immigrant is not my right but a privilege that will be granted upon me.

If you're surprised about 10 years, there are those who waited more than I. So when people say that tougher immigration is only an agenda of a xenophobic white man, think twice. I'm a native South East Asian legal immigrant who wants a fair process for everyone. People like Soundwave who parrot this dumb agenda spit on the hardships of law abiding people like me who faced a lot of hardships just to get in legally. Taking a risky journey on a small boat crossing the border illegally doesn't put them above us.

I do wish to bring up a trivial experience. I've even encountered some co-workers of mine who are Hispanic legal immigrants who came from South America. To my surprise they are also pissed at the democrats tone towards demonizing tougher immigration enforcement.

This caravan doesn't really prove anything as far as illegal immigration.  The only thing it proves is that desperate people will go to a place they feel offer a better life.  Currently we have no clue how many will seek asylum or will try to illegally cross.  The only thing we can infer from this caravan is that its coming.  The talking point from Trump is that everyone is a criminal, gang thug, terrorist you name it, It still plays to his base.

Even on local level, the most progressive city like Sans Fran do not allow illegals to vote on a city or state level.  Instead they can only vote on school board elections and only if they have a child who was born in the US.  There is no state that allows illegals to vote in state elections.  As I stated, its the fear that is made and flamed then any actual facts.  You can take the President comment from one of his rallies where he proclaimed that their are states allowing illegals to vote.  He made it ambiguous enough so that he wasn't totally lying but left it so that people would believe him without  fact checking and believe its on a state or federal level.  It's a very common political tactic especially when you know the people will just take your word for it without checking facts or context.  

Also think about what you are suggesting.  You are suggesting that the millions of illegals are here thinking about illegally voting to do what.  Most are scared of ever being found out they are here illegally and voting is the last thing on their mind.  The though process or even this caravan of a thousand souls is looking to illegally come into the US and find some way to vote illegally so they can do what.  At the end of the day, all this does is play to your fears.  Its like a movie director who make the squeaky noise, turn off the lights and let your imagination fill in the blank even though their is nothing there.

Ignorance is a choice, yet people still choose ignorance lmao, Americans seem to forget some of the fundamental principles this country was founded on.

The high estimates are actually closer to 20 million.

Not surprised, Democrats have changed completely just in my lifetime, almost doing a 180 in many respects. The party that was once completely anti-racism, anti-war, pro working class, pro free speech, free love, etc. has mutated into this fear mongering, xenophobic (Russia), identity politic obsessed, divisive, pro-censorship, puritanical, and hateful group of people just in the last 15 or so years. I know I'm generalizing but those are the people that dominate the political conversation within the party at least.

Kucinich is about the last one I somewhat respect.

And that Kids is what we called progression. Its hardly the democrats who changed into that its the bigger part of people in their 20's and 30's in western society who decided this is the way forward. The democrats and other political parties just cathered to this idea of progression, luckily it mostly backfired for now. 

I guess its semantics really. The democrats don't like to waste resources, they just like to increase spending with vast amounts of tax payer money even if they get poor results. I hope government doesn't like being inefficient with spending per se, they just are and incredibly so.

You're actually making a point for people for my side. Showing me an example of government struggling at voter IDs certainly doesn't make me feel good about government controlling much of anything outside what makes absolute sense. Unfortunately, something like voter IDs is their jurisdiction.

If a lot of people hate the left for doing little for blacks, a group that really needs to help itself, then they should stop supporting democrats. The whites are getting annoyed with the left democrats treat whites as an obstacle. White people are a demo that doesn't just give its vote to democrats like other groups, so dems have made terrible excuses why they don't as great with whites.

To appeal to the working class you don't just talk about raising taxes and free stuff that will be paid for by the working class. Trump a lot better than expected because people genuinely felt Trump was gonna do better at creating jobs, lowering taxes, get a grip on immigration and doing something about high healthcare costs. Frankly, the only thing I really see democrats running on this year is healthcare because that's where there hasn't been any great improvements on.

Democrats want criminals to vote because that it will inevitably boost their numbers. Not sure if that's something that the working class cares about, but getting power is something democrats care about.

Even in 2008 the democrats were perceived as a very different and moderate party. There is a reason you can find plenty of clips of Bill Clinton and Obama spouting what are now deemed republican views.

A lot of their "progressive" ideology steps on the foot of a lot of people. They also love to play if you're not with me you're a [insert derogatory label]. That's equally as divisive as some of Trump's dumb rhetoric. Some very vocal democrats cater to SJWs who like to play virtue signaling.