Jaicee said:
Alright, I feel that I have been more than patient with this phenomenon, but this morning I have finally had enough: Do you really and seriously feel that women are over-represented in this medium? Because practically every time I visit, there's some shithole thread whining and BSing about precisely that still active on the main page. Today the too-many-women shit is about Battlefield 5 (a game I don't really care about). Shortly before that it was about The Last of Us Part II (a game I definitely care about) and Gears of War 5 (don't care). Before that it was about Uncharted: The Lost Legacy (did care), and others before that. And it's easy to see from recent comments on these threads and elsewhere (like on the main page) what the next such thread will probably be about: the upcoming Tomb Raider game (because new Lara is not as sexy as old Lara or something like that). And it will be by the same people who just got through wielding the iconic Tomb Raider franchise as their defense against charges of sexism in the BF5 thread. Anyway, it seems that this is the way most of our members think. I'm just gonna do a poll and see if I'm right in that suspicion -- that this is the majority opinion -- and figure out what my response should be from there.
To elaborate a bit more, if it's not the female avatars in games that are at issue, then it's the role of actual women behind the scenes of game development or some random article in Polygon that supposedly denigrates men or a major film with a female lead or the role of female producer or director in the making thereof (The Last Jedi, Wonder Woman, etc.) that is the cause of all the world's problems; certainly of seemingly 90% of all controversies that get discussed on this message board. Women, and a few men who sometimes sympathize with them, seem to be at fault for just about all of the world's problems if the pattern of contributions to this message board is to be believed. I mean there are occasional threads that are conversely about complimenting women in a way. But they all have titles like "Staring at "BOOBS" let's men live longer", "Real Life Maid Girls you're attracted?", and "what's your favorite game character as "COSPLAY"? " They're all beauty pageants of sorts and other exercises in sexual objectification, in other words. I don't mean to be mean, but the overall picture that I'm pointing to has some passive-aggressive vibes to it.
I just don't see people creating threads that go in the reverse direction, complaining about the over-representation of men in games or movies or the making thereof or what have you (which frankly would be far more justified objectively) or about the far more common phenomenon of all-male casts of lead characters (as compared with the rare employment of all-female ensemble casts) or what have you. Only when it is girls or women who are presented in those roles does there seem to be a political issue.
I hope that people will vote honestly and not try and sell me this bullshit that it's all about these or those unique factors in individual games/movies/whatever when one can plainly see the above pattern of pre-determined contempt for pretty literally every major work of entertainment that, to one degree or another, fails to adequately marginalize girls and/or women (as applicable) or fails to adequately sexualize them. And also minor ones as well (like Gone Home), often times. I wasn't born yesterday. There is a definite pattern here. I'm just wondering it's in fact the overall majority that hold this position.
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Well i try to answer to every topic you are mentioning.
First off the VGC-Community. I have not been on this site for too long but the impression I got from the community is that it's very diverse.
You can find people from every political camp and some people here even have rather extreme points of view (like you), at least from my middle european standpoint. I think the Admins and Members of this site made a good job in creating a place were everyone can share their opinion and have a rather civilised discussion about it. The constant reappearing of these threads is actually prove for this diversity. Women in video games and feminism in general are hot topics, so of course someone will make a thread about it, then there are always a bunch of people who agree with the op and a bunch who disagree, so the discussion starts and people on this site get very passionit so these threads will always pop up again.
This leads us to the next topic. Do I think women are over-represented in video games? Let's specify this a little bit. Are women over-represented in video games compared to the women population in my country/ world wide? No. Are women overrepresented in video games business(aka devs, journalists, etc.) compared to the amount of female non-mobile gamers? I have no data on that but probably no. Are female leads overrepresented in video games compared to the amount of female non-mobile gamers? That could be actually the case but if so it's not a big deal, Why?
1) We are still a long way from the dominance of female protagonists in video games, we are even far from 50% female protagonists.
2) People can identify better with people of the same gender, but that's just a generalization. It's the same as with food, most people woudn't want to eat their favourit food every day, all day. so even if 0 women would play video games there would be still some female protagonists because some guys like to play as women from time to time.
I would love to see more women in gaming, it would be a win situation for everyone. More female gamers means more money spent in the industry and more women working in the industry means a higher diversity in storytelling and gameplay, not to mention that the games made by women are also enjoyable by man. Every developer who seriously tries to bring more girls and women into gaming should be applauded for that. A good example for this is Nintendo with their games released on the DS. What we shouldn't do however is criticising or pressuring devs who don't try.
the freedom of art also applies to video games and art don't have to follow one's personal moral or the moral of the society.
the game as a medium and art form isn't fully grown up yet. It goes through the same phases as literature and cinema before it.
Eventually the same thing will happen to games as to the little boys in their tree house, someday they will come down from the tree house and recognize that playing together with girls is actually more fun. :D
Last edited by MrWayne - on 04 September 2018