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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3glCU-txQU

I take apart Jim Sterlings awful Shenmue video posted a few days ago.



Sony want to make money by selling art, Nintendo want to make money by selling fun, Microsoft want to make money.

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only777 said:

   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3glCU-txQU

I take apart Jim Sterlings awful Shenmue video posted a few days ago.

Why single out the Shenmue video? Most of his videos are awful. I just don't see what waving dildos around has to do with critiquing things.



You didn't really take apart his arguments though. You just disagreed with him on a few points and pointed out 1 or 2 things he kinda got wrong. Im sure this game was alright back in 1999, but it looks really dated and not much fun today.



So, first of all you're complaining that in a video about Shenmue (not Shenmue 1 and 2, just Shenmue), he talks about Shenmue, but not Shenmue 2. Yeah, funny how that goes. I don't really get why that would change anything. Even if the second game is better by a considerable margin, it doesn't make the first retroactively better. As far as the subjective things you complain about, yeah, games that can be considered dreadful today do become cult classics. Some games just don't really age all that well, so while they may have been good or even great in the past, they don't necessarily hold up very well today. For example, a huge number of early 3D titles that were revolutionary at the time are absolutely horrendous to play today, and many were horrendous even then, we just didn't really know any better.



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Having played the game back on the DC Jim's criticisms aren't wrong tbh although he tends to exaggerate in some cases but I knew Shenmue would be dated by today's standards, the two main criticisms he made about waiting for time to pass and lack of options for advancing time were major gripes for me back on the DC release only back then the game's scope was above many other games today however in the age of games like TW3 and Yakuza it doesn't quite hold up.



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Darashiva said:
So, first of all you're complaining that in a video about Shenmue (not Shenmue 1 and 2, just Shenmue), he talks about Shenmue, but not Shenmue 2. Yeah, funny how that goes. I don't really get why that would change anything. Even if the second game is better by a considerable margin, it doesn't make the first retroactively better. As far as the subjective things you complain about, yeah, games that can be considered dreadful today do become cult classics. Some games just don't really age all that well, so while they may have been good or even great in the past, they don't necessarily hold up very well today. For example, a huge number of early 3D titles that were revolutionary at the time are absolutely horrendous to play today, and many were horrendous even then, we just didn't really know any better.

True. Silent Hill may be a classic, but man does it play like shit.



only777 said:

I take apart Jim Sterlings awful Shenmue video posted a few days ago.

You complain he is cashing in on Shenmue yet you do the exact same thing...

Anyways, I agree with other commenters, this isn't so much you taking apart his argument as it is just you disagreeing with his personal thoughts on the gameplay. Sure he gets some things wrong (which is usual for his vids) but in reality the gameplay isn't that hot in the first game. So I see no issue with him taking issue with the game.



I agree with those above who agree with me.



mjk45 said:
I agree with those above who agree with me.

I agree.



I am playing Shenmue 1 right now for the first time, and honestly I find myself agreeing with Jim on alot of points. I understand that they were going for a simulation of the real-world and that is why things like time skip and mini-map aren't present. However, the pursuit of hyper-realism in a game can easily ruin the fun factor, and I feel like Shenmue has that problem for sure. The game wants you to kill time between main story missions with diversions like betting and arcade games, but doesn't really give you enough money to do that (only 500 yen a day), so I find myself just standing around waiting far too often for my liking. He's also also right about the controls being pretty bad, I am constantly getting Ryo snagged on pieces of the environment, but to be fair, few 3D games from 1999 had good controls, most had crap tank controls back then. I definitely agree with him on the English audio, sounds like they recorded it with an Xbox Live mic, it is garbled as heck, though thankfully the JP audio doesn't have this problem. I also agree with him that the game really could have used a full on remake like Yakuza 1 and 2 got instead of just an HD remaster. The thought of a Shenmue 1 remake with more modernization, more mini-games (and more money to play them with), more combat, etc., makes me very happy, I wish Sega had made that dream real for me.  

I do disagree on his final conclusion though. It's not a bad game, I'm still enjoying myself and learning from Jim that it gets better later on once you get access to the forklift makes me happy. I feel like Shenmue 1 will probably be an actual 8/10 for me, not a fake 8/10 like Jim gave it in the video.

I do hope that Yu is making sure that Shenmue 3 is much more modern than it's predecessor. 

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