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Where are the advocates for a free and open internet now?

Alexander Emric Jones aka Alex Jones the Infowarrior has been banned from nearly all important media platforms in a coordinated strike on the same day.

Facebook, Apple, YouTube and Spotify ban Infowars' Alex Jones

All but one of the major content platforms have banned the American conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, as the companies raced to act in the wake of Apple’s decision to remove five podcasts by Jones and his Infowars website.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/aug/06/apple-removes-podcasts-infowars-alex-jones

Remember when the scam called net neutrality (government FCC control over the internet) was preached by Google, YouTube, Apple to guarantee a free internet for all?

I predict that supporters of net neutrality are going to defend this.





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Finally. It's just disgusting how this guy made a fortune out the paranoia and social weakness of his viewers.



I hate, hate, hate Alex Jones and his conspiracy crap and lies. That being said, this was a huge mistake by these companies. He should have the right to express his stupid opinions on their platforms. I fear they have only made him more dangerous now. 



Took a single reply to have someone defending it kkkkk.

In Brazil the left wing also was defending a similar system. Facebook obviously had it interest in it as well.

Couple weeks ago FB banned hundred pages and profiles of right wing posters under a "hunt on fakenews", not a single left winged person or page was take down. But the left wing swears there was no bias on FB action.



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Vinther1991 said:

I hate, hate, hate Alex Jones and his conspiracy crap and lies. That being said, this was a huge mistake by these companies. He should have the right to express his stupid opinions on their platforms. I fear they have only made him more dangerous now. 



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I feel like this will get ugly with retaliations of sorts



Those two things aren't even close to being the same though...



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Numberwang, you are making quite a lot of false equivalences in your topics.
Yesterday it was "double standard" between two entirely separate companies policies. (At least it wasn't in the topic title that time) It was fair to compare the two scenarios you brought up, but not on the subject of double standard. Disney fired James Gunn as quick as they fired Rosanne. The New York Times have completely different PR policies than Disney.

Net neutrality was not just about censorship in that sense, but mainly in order to prevent a handful of corporations from monopolizing and controlling all data traffic in the US. Because they tried multiple times in the past to essentially extort certain sites by slowing down their bandwidth unless they pay more money. Meaning it's reasonably to think they will do it again.

In this case, it's about privately owned services deciding what they want on their own platform.
If they don't want Alex Jones telling their users things like Hillary Clinton running a child sex slavery ring in the basement of a pizza restaurant, when that results in a nutjob who believed him actually going there with a shotgun, they don't have to host it. That doesn't go against freedom of speech laws. 
Just recently he said something similar about Muller, and made gunslinging gestures while saying that someone needs to stop him, or something to that extent.

If they don't want that on their platform, or feel it violates their hate speech rules (which was the case here), it's their prerogative to not have that kind of thing on their platforms.
If anyone wants to listen to Alex Jones, they can still do that on his website.
For comparison, with Net Neutrality gone, the top 3 internet service providers could essentially prevent access to Infowars from anyone, anywhere in the country. That's a big difference compared to a privately owned site deciding what they want and don't want on their site. 

Anyway, in this case it's of course up to them if they want to hand the microphone over to someone on their platform. Though their reasoning here was that Infowars violated their terms of service for hate speech.
The issue I have with this is the lack of transparency for exactly how these rules have been broken. It would be nice if they told us "It were these specific things in these specific videos." Because otherwise we won't know what they consider hate speech.

~Edit~
I see your topic title was now changed by a moderator. And it's not the first time that happened in recent days.

Last edited by Hiku - on 06 August 2018

TallSilhouette said:
Vinther1991 said:

I hate, hate, hate Alex Jones and his conspiracy crap and lies. That being said, this was a huge mistake by these companies. He should have the right to express his stupid opinions on their platforms. I fear they have only made him more dangerous now. 

Beat me too it.

This isn't about Net neutrality. This isn't about censorship. He isn't defended by free speech. He isn't defended by freedom of the press. And he isn't protected by the first amendment.

He said disgusting things. Pressed multiple conspiracies that were/are dangerous. He violated their terms of service constantly.

And he is being sued by SIX more families. For pressing the conspiracy theory that the school shooting didn't happen, and encouraging harassment of them.

Also he was kicked off Pinterest also. Yes he had a Pinterest.



  • Deadliest mass shooting by an individual in US history (10/01/2017)
  • Deadliest high school shooting in US history (02/14/2018)
  • Deadliest massacre of Jews in US history (10/27/2018)
  • Political assassination attempt of TWO former presidents(and 10+ other people)  (10/23/2018 - and beyond)

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding about net neutrality here, because as fitting as this comparison might seem at first glance, it actually makes very little sense here.