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This reminds me of something I saw a few years ago on Newsroom. I think it hits the nail on the head as far as how we got here. The whole video is good but at the 2:55 mark it shows exactly the mistake that was made all those many years ago.

https://youtu.be/GXrOqjS9ZyA

Just imagine how different things would be today if there were no advertisements allowed during the news.



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Good news sources exist. If you opt for ones that actually have all the empirical evidence and citations to backup their claims.

News sources that conform to your own confirmation bias can still be extremely inaccurate... Even if the bullshit they sprout is exactly what you want to hear.
I find that people who moan about something being right-wing or left-wing tend to fall into the above trap.



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Pemalite said:

Good news sources exist. If you opt for ones that actually have all the empirical evidence and citations to backup their claims.

News sources that conform to your own confirmation bias can still be extremely inaccurate... Even if the bullshit they sprout is exactly what you want to hear.
I find that people who moan about something being right-wing or left-wing tend to fall into the above trap.

Please name a few. I would love to know of them.



 

Trump is the most far right leader ever elected under a democratic system. In Europe he would have been banned from running as a candidate. Trump is an autocratic leader and he is not compatible with a democracy. Trump has hired and fired countless advisers and when they advise him to do something he does not agree with, he fires them. Trump is not willing to listen to experts that know more than him on various issues. Trump is an autocrat and arrogantly believes he knows everything. The journalists have every right to call out Trump and question him on the his silly comments and bad decisions.

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                                                                            "Fake News" is code for "Negative Press"

The fact is that the MSM is generally far more reliable, reputable, and based on the facts than fringe media.  



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John2290 said:
Pemalite said:

Good news sources exist. If you opt for ones that actually have all the empirical evidence and citations to backup their claims.

News sources that conform to your own confirmation bias can still be extremely inaccurate... Even if the bullshit they sprout is exactly what you want to hear.
I find that people who moan about something being right-wing or left-wing tend to fall into the above trap.

Please name a few. I would love to know of them.

Obviously you being in the United Kingdom... Would have different media outlets that I am obviously not privy to.



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Fake news wouldn't be such a problem if there weren't also people with power calling actual truths fake news.



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John2290 said:
Tulipanzo said:

Sure, I trust the guy complaining people are mean to Trump, Jordan Peterson, the Nazi pug lad and all the other clowns, to provide a thoughtful and evidence-based report on the rise of fake news 🙄

Edit: WOW, he is really mad about that nazi pug guy!

So you believe a man making a joke should be fined and/or go to jail, which would have been an actual strong possibility had he not gotten support online. You sicken me. And not once was Tim ever on anyones side on those matters, he interviewed them and very rarely does his own opinion get interjected, if it does it is a slip. Maybe you should watch it and perhaps you should view Pools work and learn something about "the nazi pug guy" before making judgement. The fact that you call him the Nazi Pug guy, I'm also going to assume you know nothing of Jordan Peterson but the character assassination by the media, same with Trump. This video is pretty much directed at people like you. 

EDIT: Pool is about as far left as you can get without crossing into the new, crazy left. He was an occupy wall streeter, ffs.

Sorry I'm not objective enough to understand the intricacies of the Nazi Pug Lad™ case. 

Also shame to hear the media killed Lobster Daddy, what a loss.

 

Checking his video history, as well as, you know, the title of the video, tells me pretty conclusively: twat.

Your contribution pretty much clinches it 



Pemalite said:

Good news sources exist. If you opt for ones that actually have all the empirical evidence and citations to backup their claims.

News sources that conform to your own confirmation bias can still be extremely inaccurate... Even if the bullshit they sprout is exactly what you want to hear.
I find that people who moan about something being right-wing or left-wing tend to fall into the above trap.

I wish I could still trust those sources. I was a huge fan of fivethirtyeight.com from 2008-2016 and loved data journalism in general. I always knew Nate Silver (From fivethirtyeight) was a liberal but never doubted the he presented the facts as they were. Then came the 2016 primaries and Silver and his colleagues continuously misread every poll and number imaginable because they clearly showed Trump was about to win. Then they proceeded to say Trump had no chance to win the presidency for a long time. I've been pretty burned from data journalism ever since because as a data journalist you can spin numbers in a lot of ways to support your political agenda (confirmation bias) and people will be even more influenced by that than your average news report - because hey, it's all backed up with numbers, right?

Same in the german elections: The AfD (right-wing party), of which I was NOT a fan, polled at about 8% for months. Then, a week before the elections, pollsters suddenly had AfD numbers rise to above 10% and they got 12.6% in the elections, higher than any pollster predicted. And the low polling numbers continuously had been used by the media to tell people that no one wanted to vote AfD, the AfD was a Nazi party, etc. Also, the boss of one of the biggest german polling institutes Forsa, always commented on his institutes' numbers and used to spin them (in hindsight it definitely was spinning) to tell people how unpopular the AfD was. I voted liberal in the elections but I later regretted not voting AfD - because the behaviours shown by polling institutes and the media was very, very undemocratic in my opinion: Basically scaring people away from voting AfD by using numbers and stats which turned out to be wrong (and they must have known at that point because they had underestimated the AfD in literally every single local election in the year before). 



jason1637 said:
CNN is a pretty reliable news source.

Please tell me this is carcasm.

Nice pic btw.