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contestgamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

How would you lose your identity? Unless you base your entire identity on your nationality.

Cultural heritage is a huge part of your identity. For a german individual who has had german ancestry going back 500 years that is a big part of their identity. Americans/Canadians have a hard time understanding this, because their identity is new and largely married to multi culturalism. 

Germany wasn't even unified in 1871, not 500 years ago.



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Helloplite said:
contestgamer said:

oh ok, so Nazi's and Hitler aren't racist, only vgchart posters you don't agree with are. Gotcha. Sounds pretty racist to me. 

In fact lets use your logic here:

"On a similar note, let us not forget the cultural openings of Hitler to muslims, which he thought could be friends and allies to the Reich. "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France", he said, which is probably the closest thing to a racist and a nationalist calling someone of another identity as a "friend"."

A Hitler apologist.... Like every racist ever.

A Hitler apologist? That's amusing. I am not calling those who disagree with me racist. I am calling racist those who are. I even said that comparing VGChartz posters to Nazism is a very low standard indeed, as no one deserves such denigrating comparison.

 

Reading comprehension. Master it for your own good.

Someone says they have multi racial friends/relationships. You say they're racist. Amazing reading comprehension there. A+



VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:

Cultural heritage is a huge part of your identity. For a german individual who has had german ancestry going back 500 years that is a big part of their identity. Americans/Canadians have a hard time understanding this, because their identity is new and largely married to multi culturalism. 

Germany wasn't even unified in 1871, not 500 years ago.

Doesn't matter when it became an official unified nation. They obviously have strong ties to Austria, Hungary etc due to some shared history, but there is still a much longer history of Germany identity that spans far further back than 1871. I would know, I'm half Austrian.



contestgamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

Germany wasn't even unified in 1871, not 500 years ago.

Doesn't matter when it became an official unified nation. They obviously have strong ties to Austria, Hungary etc due to some shared history, but there is still a much longer history of Germany identity that spans far further back than 1871. I would know, I'm half Austrian.

Yeah it does matter, it shows that nationalism is a much more modern concept than you're making it out to be.



contestgamer said:
Helloplite said:

A Hitler apologist? That's amusing. I am not calling those who disagree with me racist. I am calling racist those who are. I even said that comparing VGChartz posters to Nazism is a very low standard indeed, as no one deserves such denigrating comparison.

 

Reading comprehension. Master it for your own good.

Someone says they have multi racial friends/relationships. You say they're racist. Amazing reading comprehension there. A+

And, to reiterate a point I made in a further clarifying edit:

 

Hitler's openings to Muslims, and Carl Schmitt's student being a Jew is the very equivalent of someone saying "I cannot be a racist, my gf/friends are mixed race". 

 

Denial is the first step to ignorance.

 

As I said. Reading comprehension. Master it, son.



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black8jac said:

There is nothing wrong with nationalism. Only mixed with xenophobia become ugly.

That's a damn hard thing to do as they tend to overlap.  Also, don't confuse patriotism with nationalism.  Nationalism is like patriotism's bigoted brother.



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VGPolyglot said:
black8jac said:

I have to disagree. European Union should be Union of Nations not a one country without a face. If we take Nations out of equation we will lose our identity.

I will say it again. The word you looking for is xenophobia. 

How would you lose your identity? Unless you base your entire identity on your nationality.

It's big part of our identity. As being born in European country I share most of the values of Christianity. That is despite being an atheist. If we try to diminish that values we expose ourselves to indoctrination of values of others maybe not as liberal as our cultures. We shouldn't, in my opinion, dilute our identity we should cherish and embrace it. 

I give you an example. In Europe, at the moment, there is a trend to invite and harbour people from Middle East. As much as noble it is, a big part of these people have no intention to integrate and at least respect our values. It is quite opposite, the core of their values is to indoctrinate others to their liking.



SpokenTruth said:
black8jac said:

There is nothing wrong with nationalism. Only mixed with xenophobia become ugly.

That's a damn hard thing to do as they tend to overlap.  Also, don't confuse patriotism with nationalism.  Nationalism is like patriotism's bigoted brother.

Patriotism and nationalism are intrinsically linked.



VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:

Doesn't matter when it became an official unified nation. They obviously have strong ties to Austria, Hungary etc due to some shared history, but there is still a much longer history of Germany identity that spans far further back than 1871. I would know, I'm half Austrian.

Yeah it does matter, it shows that nationalism is a much more modern concept than you're making it out to be.

This.

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VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:

Doesn't matter when it became an official unified nation. They obviously have strong ties to Austria, Hungary etc due to some shared history, but there is still a much longer history of Germany identity that spans far further back than 1871. I would know, I'm half Austrian.

Yeah it does matter, it shows that nationalism is a much more modern concept than you're making it out to be.

No, you equate nationalism to borders only. It has to do with a lot more. It has more to do with cultural heritage than borders. That's why Americans don't freak out about European immigrants the way they do about Mexican immigrants. It's not because they care about the arbitrary borders as much as they do about preserving cultural heritage which they equate with European settlers. Now in the case of the US, IMO that's misguided, because the country itself was founded on a multi cultural ideal. However for European/middle eastern/african nations it is reasonable to protect their heritage.