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Polygon Interview: Toxic Masculinity In Video Games (Ugh)

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Jaicee said:
o_O.Q said:

"everyone who is female knows good and well that our socialization process is radically different from that of our male counterparts, particularly as it relates to the question of violence."

yes but would that not be expected if you acknowledge that men and women are not the same?

or are you coming at the world from the perspective that men and women are the same?

 

" A man who engages toxic behavior (as we call it) will possibly be faulted"

you're confusing "toxic" with "aggression" again and i'd like to reiterate that repression and passivity is very often a larger problem

but regardless what if a man is considered to be too sensitive? he's called a pussy right? but you don't apparently consider that to be dehumanising

I don't think that much of what you're offering in your most recent post earns a reply, so I'm just going to focus on the things that I believe did (shown above).

To your first questions, as we discussed elsewhere recently, I'm coming from the perspective that men and women would tend to be behaviorally similar if not socialized differently.

To answer your last query, yes, I agree with you that the more sensitive male is stigmatized as well and that that's wrong. In point of fact, it is the crux of what the interview linked in the OP was all about. Apparently, the new God of War presents Kratos as a more multi-dimensional character in that sort of way, and Chris Plante of Polygon wanted to know how the decision to go that route with the character came about.

 

"I'm coming from the perspective that men and women would tend to be behaviorally similar if not socialized differently."

i didn't question this previously but i'm now wondering, what is this idea based on?

the idea that everyone is a blank slate and they can all be molded into whatever is desired by some authority?

this isn't the case with other animals that show sexual dimorphism so why would you assume that its the case for humans?


how far would you be willing to take this idea? would you eventually prefer for instance that reproduction be done through artificial means so the act of reproduction no longer places such a burden of women?

 

"Apparently, the new God of War presents Kratos as a more multi-dimensional character in that sort of way"

ah and i suppose that influences men to become abrasive heartless bastards as a result



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Jesus, you people cannot even take an ounce of criticism without loudly complaining about mean Polygon doing a clickbait!
The GoW, and I bloody well love them, are absolutely the epitome of toxic masculinity, mostly because the games never actually settled on whether or nor Kratos was meant to be sympathetic or not.
I can enjoy something while still realizing that, yes, the QTE sex scenes were a bit gratuitous.

Learn to take it on the chin ffs

Edit: having read the interview, I really struggle to imagine any other reason you might be angry if not for purposeful ignorance.
The main point the director makes, and the previous games never committed to is: Kratos was bad, what he did was bad, and try to present a story in which he has to reckon with what he passes on to his son.
It is literally impossible to ignore the question of toxic masculinity since the entire point of the game is Kratos' acknowledging his legacy is toxic.
This is not the evil SJWs injecting their agenda (it never is, cuz you made them up): this is the obvious, apparent plot of the game you just played.  

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Not giving Polygon any clicks, sorry.



Why does society insist on pandering to these people. It makes no sense and it never works.



Tulipanzo said:

Jesus, you people cannot even take an ounce of criticism without loudly complaining about mean Polygon doing a clickbait!
The GoW, and I bloody well love them, are absolutely the epitome of toxic masculinity, mostly because the games never actually settled on whether or nor Kratos was meant to be sympathetic or not.
I can enjoy something while still realizing that, yes, the QTE sex scenes were a bit gratuitous.

Learn to take it on the chin ffs

Edit: having read the interview, I really struggle to imagine any other reason you might be angry if not for purposeful ignorance.
The main point the director makes, and the previous games never committed to is: Kratos was bad, what he did was bad, and try to present a story in which he has to reckon with what he passes on to his son.
It is literally impossible to ignore the question of toxic masculinity since the entire point of the game is Kratos' acknowledging his legacy is toxic.
This is not the evil SJWs injecting their agenda (it never is, cuz you made them up): this is the obvious, apparent plot of the game you just played.  

your whole post is invalidated by your failure to define what toxic masculinity is



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DarthMetalliCube said:

Imagine any major publication using the term "Toxic Femininity." Smh

This is my problem with this kind of stuff. Double standards. 



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o_O.Q said:
Tulipanzo said:

Jesus, you people cannot even take an ounce of criticism without loudly complaining about mean Polygon doing a clickbait!
The GoW, and I bloody well love them, are absolutely the epitome of toxic masculinity, mostly because the games never actually settled on whether or nor Kratos was meant to be sympathetic or not.
I can enjoy something while still realizing that, yes, the QTE sex scenes were a bit gratuitous.

Learn to take it on the chin ffs

Edit: having read the interview, I really struggle to imagine any other reason you might be angry if not for purposeful ignorance.
The main point the director makes, and the previous games never committed to is: Kratos was bad, what he did was bad, and try to present a story in which he has to reckon with what he passes on to his son.
It is literally impossible to ignore the question of toxic masculinity since the entire point of the game is Kratos' acknowledging his legacy is toxic.
This is not the evil SJWs injecting their agenda (it never is, cuz you made them up): this is the obvious, apparent plot of the game you just played.  

your whole post is invalidated by your failure to define what toxic masculinity is

I use this cool site called Google, very helpful with finding stuff, highly recommended 



o_O.Q said:

"Apparently, the new God of War presents Kratos as a more multi-dimensional character in that sort of way"

ah and i suppose that influences men to become abrasive heartless bastards as a result

What in the hell? Okay, you're just making shit up now. You clearly WANT to be offended and have no intention of actually listening to anything I say, so I'm done with you.



Tulipanzo said:
o_O.Q said:

your whole post is invalidated by your failure to define what toxic masculinity is

I use this cool site called Google, very helpful with finding stuff, highly recommended 

It's only as good as the links you look at. It's very easy to find a feminist circle jerk website by doing a search on toxic masculinity. It's one of their favorite things to bitch about with no proof. Did you bother to look at any objective source with studies sourced?



Not sure how this thread has been up for six days, has 90 posts, and that OP still looks like that. Seems to be a pretty cut and dry violation of thread creation/posting rules. At least give a few quotes and somewhat of a response. Not that I care for the subject or its obvious response from this community, but a pace should have standards even when playing at the bottom of a barrel.