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Pemalite said:

I'll take a wait and see approach on that front.

But I think China being more capable than either the United States or Europe is an eventual given though. - But more than both? That would be a tall order indeed.

We'll probably be dead before we can look too far into the future ...  

China does look highly likely to top both the US and Europe in a little over a decade from now. The biggest obstacle to China dominating both though is their geographic disadvantage so they need more land and resources to make that plausibly happen. Luckily, there is a simple enough path for China to do just that and the solution is to take away their powerful neighbors independence such as Korea, Japan and Vietnam ... (coincidentally enough, none of them are NATO members but the other two have US military bases so China are just waiting for Vietnam to attack them to give the UN an excuse to occupy and annex another region all maybe just to have a stronger claim to the South China Sea) 

China is awfully starting to sound like the eastern version of Britain except this time it sounds like they'll really be playing for keeps instead of slipping up like having their colonies revolt/returned against them or end up in failure like Imperial Japan ... (imagine the thought of another world police but only this time they will be truly twisted since their idea of justice only works for what is right to them) 

Pemalite said:

It really depends. (Your link it broken btw.)
I think with the trade war between the USA and China we may see a larger emphasis of manufacturing/trade with India... To early to call anything definitive though.
But it's hard to argue that India has the potential to beat China in almost every facet if it gets it's eggs in a row.

Here's the video version of the article that summarizes up things ... 

Actually, I don't think any one nation can emulate the infrastructure that China has in manufacturing. While the demographics do favour India over China, their foundations on the other hand do not ... (so many things that India lacks compared to China such as access to electricity during certain parts of the nation/time, sanitation, access to clean water, less severe poverty, a nearly literate nation, educational standards)

The more likely scenario in that the US does proceed with their trade war, they will just develop automation instead ... (I believe this is also the Chinese corporate direction to avoid the rising wages in their own nation) 

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I honestly had a little chuckle at this thread yesterday but like George R.R. Martin said wisdom oft comes from the mouth of babes. Unless Putin is a coward behind the scenes, which I'd highly doubt, it's pretty safe to say there will be war very soon. The US, France and the UK have just signed the deed.



 

John2290 said:
I honestly had a little chuckle at this thread yesterday but like George R.R. Martin said wisdom oft comes from the mouth of babes. Unless Putin is a coward behind the scenes, which I'd highly doubt, it's pretty safe to say there will be war very soon. The US, France and the UK have just signed the deed.

No, it won't since Russia has the most to loose on it. There is something strange about this whole situation that doesn't sit right, but Putin will find other ways to "retaliate". Besides what could he possibly bomb to ignite the war? 



Puppyroach said:
John2290 said:
I honestly had a little chuckle at this thread yesterday but like George R.R. Martin said wisdom oft comes from the mouth of babes. Unless Putin is a coward behind the scenes, which I'd highly doubt, it's pretty safe to say there will be war very soon. The US, France and the UK have just signed the deed.

No, it won't since Russia has the most to loose on it. There is something strange about this whole situation that doesn't sit right, but Putin will find other ways to "retaliate". Besides what could he possibly bomb to ignite the war? 

Wars don't start at one defined moment until historians look back on it years later. However, yes, I read an article today that Russia had entered Damascus, it was fake news apparently. Hopefully, this is just a last minute strike to show force before they do but as you said, something does not sit right at all, not even close. If war isn't completely off the table now is not the time to escalate tensions even under suspected chemical attacks that have yet to be confirmed. For me at least, I won't be content until the US, the UK and France confirm that they informed Russia before the strike.



 

John2290 said:
Puppyroach said:

No, it won't since Russia has the most to loose on it. There is something strange about this whole situation that doesn't sit right, but Putin will find other ways to "retaliate". Besides what could he possibly bomb to ignite the war? 

Wars don't start at one defined moment until historians look back on it years later. However, yes, I read an article today that Russia had entered Damascus, it was fake news apparently. Hopefully, this is just a last minute strike to show force before they do but as you said, something does not sit right at all, not even close. If war isn't completely off the table now is not the time to escalate tensions even under suspected chemical attacks that have yet to be confirmed. For me at least, I won't be content until the US, the UK and France confirm that they informed Russia before the strike.

Agreed, a lot can happen that escalate the situation but at the moment I don't see anything pointing towards an escalating conflict other than some harsh wording from both sides. 



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HollyGamer said:
Helloplite said:

You asked me if I am prepared for war. I told you that I am in fact educating the next generation of army officers, strategists and IR theoreticians. I do not claim to be smart nor to be well-versed in war tactics. Tactics imply a war has actually started. I do understand strategy however, which is not limited to war itself. From a strategic point of view, no country right now has any interest in a 'world war', let alone a 'nuclear war'.

Cold wars are far easier in terms of toll, and can also prove to be far more profitable. 2018 is far removed from the context of early to mid 20th century. Cyberwarfare is far more likely, and it is already happening. The good news is that you won't have to actually fight anywhere as a soldier. Land-based war will soon be obsolete, anyway, aside from intrastate conflict and interventions. Worry more about the spread of private security firms bringing us into new forms of war

If no country interested in war,  why china build a large naval fleet and US are increasing  it's Military budget , while Japan re arming them self?

Cold war are far easier agree , but did the cold war ended a long time ago, isn't  the reason why we have proxy war because cold war has ended. 

Yup agree on security firms and cyber warfare. 

No, by definition proxy wars became a thing after world wars stopped being a thing. Proxy wars were very popular during the Cold War. Remember Vietnam? Korea? Afghanistan (not the recent war, the one in late 70s). These were all proxy wars. Syria now is a contemporary proxy war. A proxy war is a civil conflict fuelled by foreign power interests (in this case USA and USSR, or USA and Russia), who support and fund sides of the civil conflict. There may also be some direct involvement but never against the other power. Like in Vietnam, USA fought the Vietcong, and not directly the Soviet Union. Or in Afghanistan in the late 70s, where the Soviet Union fought the Taliban, and USA funded and trained them against the Soviets. This is what a proxy war is. It is not because the Cold War ended, but quite the opposite it is a kind of war that has flourished ever since the Cold War.


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Slimebeast said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

Yeah, everyone knows the scientists of the "Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists" and the other 17 nobel-prize winners that decide on the "doomsday clock" are just idiotic morons telling bullshit.

Just ask PwerlvlAmy and the other wishful-thinking-guys who claim it's all just paranoia, they clearly know best.

It's just propaganda no matter the scientists involved.

By scaring the general public with the threat of a nuclear war, they hope for increased public pressure on politicians to bring about disarmaments, to favor peace talks in regards to the active military conflicts around the world, to tie countries together through international federations such as the EU, and to favor globalism.

Nobody who is serious actually beliefs there is a significant risk of WW3 in our time.

Discounting the prospect of a massive war in the future is not wise. On the other hand, warmongering or believing WW3 is a significant prospect is, as you said, not serious. There is far more interest in limited intrastate conflict these days -- because it can be profitable -- than grand conflicts. It is not a coincidence that we have not witnessed another world war since 1945. It is not merely that states do not wish to repeat such a thing (although it is true that the LIO has progressed immensely since, and the incentives for a grand war are no longer there from a trading, economic and technologic perspective), but also that there is now the spectre of nuclear weapons over everyone's heads. Nuclear weapons have saved humanity from the worry of another WW3. I am not saying it might never happen, but that it is very unlikely to happen any time soon. Not only is a nuclear war unlikely, so is WW3 in general. 

The OP needs to read on theories of escalation and de-escalation, limited warfare, revolution in military affairs, proxy wars, and of course the history of the Cold War and the post-Cold War period. 

roadkillers said:
This is what happens when 10 year olds play too much call of duty and lie about their age on vgchartz. Terrible topic.

That is my predisposition as well. Maybe he is not 10, but he does not sound like an adult at all. If he is an adult, he should take this as an opportunity to educate himself a bit before attempting a serious conversation on topics he does not understand adequately.

HollyGamer said:
roadkillers said:
This is what happens when 10 year olds play too much call of duty and lie about their age on vgchartz. Terrible topic.

Too bad i am not 10 years old and don't like to play Call of Duty  

Maybe you are not, maybe you are. The fact is that you do not comprehend essential strategic aspects of the topic, from deterrence and rational actor theory, to what a proxy war is. Being fascinated about war is fine (if a little bit stupid), but in order to participate in a serious conversation about it you need to expose yourself to more than just media and forum discussions. People on fora rarely know what they are talking about. You are not an exception by all means.



Helloplite said:
HollyGamer said:

Too bad i am not 10 years old and don't like to play Call of Duty  

Maybe you are not, maybe you are. The fact is that you do not comprehend essential strategic aspects of the topic, from deterrence and rational actor theory, to what a proxy war is. Being fascinated about war is fine (if a little bit stupid), but in order to participate in a serious conversation about it you need to expose yourself to more than just media and forum discussions. People on fora rarely know what they are talking about. You are not an exception by all means.

Well too bad only few people discussing this seriously, except  you,  most of post are like " I don't want war!"  " bla bla bla" . So i am not going to discuss with that kind of people. My intention clearly want to discuss how US or Russia will engage in Arena war etc etc. How powerful both of them, what if US bring allies to the conflict will they win?

Because you seem the expert here i want to know from you.



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Faelco said:

I worked for a year and a half in an oncology hospital, walked by the morgue every morning going to work, spent all days hearing about people dying with details,  seeing patients and their family just in front of my office, watching patients talking about their incoming death with their doctors, and seeing those doctors battle with depression all the time, even after 20 years of experience. 

 

Trust me, you're not ready. That's just something people like to think, like "If a zombie outbreak happens, I'll be ready because I'm a fan of The Walking Dead". Wrong. 

Ready or Not , dead cannot wait (edited ) . We cannot run away. That's why i am preparing my self spiritually. At least i have a faith and I know dead is not the end. 

Sounds like someone who could crash an airplane at the World Trade Center with a smile anytime... 



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