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‘Donkey Kong’ legend Billy Mitchell has high scores wiped from record books

Twin Galaxies, a retro-gaming record organization that tracks scores in many classic arcade games, announced on April 12 that it was removing Billy Mitchell’s Donkey Kongscores from its leaderboards, as well as all scores he had achieved in other games.

The decision comes after the validity of several of his Donkey Kong scores were called into question, with skeptics asserting the footage captured for the records was impossible without the use of the software emulation program MAME. This is due to the way the software produces board transitions compared to the original hardware, and Twin Galaxies asserts the tape Mitchell used for the documentary The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters was not recorded with original arcade hardware. The organization stopped short of saying MAME was used, as testing to determine this would be “beyond the scope” of what was needed for the investigation.

“From a Twin Galaxies viewpoint, the only important thing to know is whether or not the score performances are from an unmodified original Donkey Kong arcade [printed circuit board] as per the competitive rules,” Twin Galaxies said in its official statement. “We now believe that they are not from an original unmodified Donkey Kong PCB, and so our investigation of the tape content ends with that conclusion and assertion.”

As part of Twin Galaxies’ decision, the organization will now recognize Steve Wiebe as the first player to achieve a score above 1 million in Donkey Kong. Wiebe was Mitchell’s challenger featured in The King of Kong. Neither player held the current world record for the game — that honor is held by Robbie Lakeman, who achieved a score of 1,247,700 earlier this year.

This is the second high-profile controversy Twin Galaxies has dealt with in 2018. Back in January, the organization banned Todd Rogers after it was discovered he had falsified his own record for the game Dragster. As a result, Guinness World Records removed Rogers from its own database.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/billy-mitchell-all-records-removed-twin-galaxies/



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He'll just post newer high scores...if they let him. I personally think the entire thing was overblown, even for videogame records, but if they say it's MAME, I guess it is. Billy still claims that the PCB was given to him from Nintendo so I just don't know what to think. Guess he's lying then.



What the hell? It took them this long? I thought they revoked his score when the controversy first came to light.



Ljink96 said:
He'll just post newer high scores...if they let him. I personally think the entire thing was overblown, even for videogame records, but if they say it's MAME, I guess it is. Billy still claims that the PCB was given to him from Nintendo so I just don't know what to think. Guess he's lying then.

The is concrete evidence that contradicts him for one evidence submitted shows that on an unaltered arcade board the score is not achievable while it is on Mame and emulator, video of his score being achieved was compared the level loading up to both arcade and Mame to which the video compared exactly to the latter. The rule is all scores have to be done on an unaltered arcade machine which his score wasn't so he had a huge advantage over other players.

Youtuber ApolloLegend has a video detailing all this.



Wyrdness said:
Ljink96 said:
He'll just post newer high scores...if they let him. I personally think the entire thing was overblown, even for videogame records, but if they say it's MAME, I guess it is. Billy still claims that the PCB was given to him from Nintendo so I just don't know what to think. Guess he's lying then.

The is concrete evidence that contradicts him for one evidence submitted shows that on an unaltered arcade board the score is not achievable while it is on Mame and emulator, video of his score being achieved was compared the level loading up to both arcade and Mame to which the video compared exactly to the latter. The rule is all scores have to be done on an unaltered arcade machine which his score wasn't so he had a huge advantage over other players.

Youtuber ApolloLegend has a video detailing all this.

Yeah but I still wonder if he knew it was MAME (as he claims he doesn't know what "a MAME is", or if he did know. It's just people are making him out to be some serial killer or something, and I don't think this was intentional. Some are just making it seem it was mal-intent. I personally don't like Mitchell but some of the hate he's getting seems misplaced. 



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Ljink96 said:
Wyrdness said:

The is concrete evidence that contradicts him for one evidence submitted shows that on an unaltered arcade board the score is not achievable while it is on Mame and emulator, video of his score being achieved was compared the level loading up to both arcade and Mame to which the video compared exactly to the latter. The rule is all scores have to be done on an unaltered arcade machine which his score wasn't so he had a huge advantage over other players.

Youtuber ApolloLegend has a video detailing all this.

Yeah but I still wonder if he knew it was MAME (as he claims he doesn't know what "a MAME is", or if he did know. It's just people are making him out to be some serial killer or something, and I don't think this was intentional. Some are just making it seem it was mal-intent. I personally don't like Mitchell but some of the hate he's getting seems misplaced. 

Someone who has spent so long playing arcade games would of course at a point had someone explain to them what Mame is, to think that he went his whole life without someone saying "you know you could play these on a home PC bro?" is just impossible to believe.

This is the equivalent of a butcher accused of a mass murder claiming he doesn't even know what a "steak knife" is.



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Ljink96 said:
Wyrdness said:

The is concrete evidence that contradicts him for one evidence submitted shows that on an unaltered arcade board the score is not achievable while it is on Mame and emulator, video of his score being achieved was compared the level loading up to both arcade and Mame to which the video compared exactly to the latter. The rule is all scores have to be done on an unaltered arcade machine which his score wasn't so he had a huge advantage over other players.

Youtuber ApolloLegend has a video detailing all this.

Yeah but I still wonder if he knew it was MAME (as he claims he doesn't know what "a MAME is", or if he did know. It's just people are making him out to be some serial killer or something, and I don't think this was intentional. Some are just making it seem it was mal-intent. I personally don't like Mitchell but some of the hate he's getting seems misplaced. 

He deserves the hate, as do all cheaters. It's pretty obvious that he altered the video he made, as well as played on MAME. He even faked converting an arcade system.



So now he's just a hot sauce salesman.



thismeintiel said:
Ljink96 said:

Yeah but I still wonder if he knew it was MAME (as he claims he doesn't know what "a MAME is", or if he did know. It's just people are making him out to be some serial killer or something, and I don't think this was intentional. Some are just making it seem it was mal-intent. I personally don't like Mitchell but some of the hate he's getting seems misplaced. 

He deserves the hate, as do all cheaters. It's pretty obvious that he altered the video he made, as well as played on MAME. He even faked converting an arcade system.

How is it obvious? What do you know that others don't?

Did you talk with him? Do you know how he got his version of the game?




Funny, and they initially tried to discredit Steve Weibe's score as inauthentic in the doc. Oh the ironies of history..



 

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