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*I am going to copy paste my previous comment on another topic from PS5 rumor *

You guys late for the April fool

Btw this is what we call company deception in confusing their competitor (Microsoft ) , by revealing fake info on the internet. Nowadays info are easily acquired in many ways, even a casual people will get it on forum and social media. With this fake info, Microsoft and Nintendo will be deceived.

The developer (some developer close to SONY/ or their own Studio ) probably has the dev kit, it's the prototype dev kit. It does not mean the spec is the final spec and it does not mean it close to it's release date. Because like previous consoles, they had many prototype and many early version that changed overtimes prior to release date. Because they need to make the games, and that games need to be made in 2 or 3 years times periods.

PS4 is selling Like Crazy , and it will be selling more in 2018 and 2019 due it's first party exclusive and 3rd party deals. That's not even include of price drop possibility. How come they want to completely kill the potential sells of PS4.

Navi is not yet release and Ryzen APU is just out, the price is still very expensive , even thou it's cheap compared to their competitor (Intel), It's still very expensive if we want to included Navi GPU. Also consoles price are targeted at 500 USD to 400 USD, SONY probably waiting another year for better price and optimization.

So i don't see any possibility PS5 coming in 2018 , even i don't a see a potential sales at 2019. 2020 is a perfect year for SONY , with reveal date in February 2020 like PS4 did and release at November or October 2020.



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Dark_Feanor said:

So, our friends from Semaccurate wanted to get back into the spotlight. And are using unsupported claims they were the first to leak XOne and Switch specs.

https://semiaccurate.com/2018/04/03/semiacccurate-gets-playstation-5next-details/

The PS5 might exists and might be launch this Hollyday season. However, there is zero chance of it´s supporting a Navi GPU and may be close to zero to use Zen CPU cores.

First, there has never been a console with a Radeon GPU architecture that was the top tear of the year. And we even have to suppose those Navi cards are coming this year. 

Second, there is no new mass market node production below 14nm that PS4-Pro and XoX use. The Scorpio chip is the biggest one could get at a $500 machine. And Zen cores are far bigger than Jaguar, supposing Navi CU are also bigger than Polaris and we simply don´t have enough "size budget" to create the SoC.

Third, even if the PS5 GPU is bigger, how the hell will it leverage bandwidth speed? GDDR5X?  That would be a minuscule increase for an extra price. And the PS5 will need to have at least 12GB to reach full 4K most of the time. That is more $$$ over more $$$.

Conclusion.

There is no reason Sony would bet on new architecture at this point of the generation. If they feel the need to leapfrog the XoX, Sony can easily do that with more polished and overclocked Polaris+Jaguar pairs and 12GB of GDDR5. And may be they could get it at no more than $450.

Thoughts? 

Mostly correct, though there are a couple things I want to point out:

1. Navi doesn't explicitly mean the high-end variant - especially not if the rumors of a modular design akin to Epyc and Treadripper are true, in which case a console version would have less chips under the heatspreader than an high-end desktop GPU.

2. By 2020, 7nm would probably be possible instead of 14/12nm AMD is using right now. But even then the process wouldn't be perfected yet and thus yield rates would be bad and prices expensive. So unless Sony would go with the expensive risk production a PS5 would probably come in 14/12nm or 2021 earliest. A release this year is right out without Navi (as the text says; with a Vega chip it would technically be possible) and next year still highly improbable due to technological constrains. A 14/12nm chip would be technically possible, but it would be huge (and thus very expensive) and hard to cool (resulting in low clock speeds and thus low power), and thus hardly worth producing.

3. Bandwith is much less a problem as you make it out. Instead of the standard 256bit connection, 384 or even 512 bit could be used with GDDR5 and the bandwith problem mostly evaporates then. The Mainboard will cost about 5-20$ more because more lanes means more layers for the board but otherwise everything would be fine. Then there's the alternatives like HBM2 or HMC which both can provide more bandwith to a console, though at an elevated cost.

Oh, an 12 GB RAM would just be too small for a next-gen console. 16GB will be very much needed by then



Dark_Feanor said:

So, our friends from Semaccurate wanted to get back into the spotlight. And are using unsupported claims they were the first to leak XOne and Switch specs.

How are they unsupported claims?

Just from a quick Google searches, I find posts from 2 years ago that say that Semiaccurate reported on Switch using Tegra in May 2016, which was before the Eurogamer leak.
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/super-metal-dave-on-nx-controlled-leak.454816344/#post-510658319

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Hiku said:
Dark_Feanor said:

So, our friends from Semaccurate wanted to get back into the spotlight. And are using unsupported claims they were the first to leak XOne and Switch specs.

How are they unsupported claims?

Just from a quick Google searches, I find posts from 2 years ago that say that Semiaccurate reported on Switch using Tegra in May 2016, which was before the Eurogamer leak.
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/super-metal-dave-on-nx-controlled-leak.454816344/#post-510658319

Nintendo Switch uses Tegra Maxwell. 



Dark_Feanor said:
Hiku said:

How are they unsupported claims?

Just from a quick Google searches, I find posts from 2 years ago that say that Semiaccurate reported on Switch using Tegra in May 2016, which was before the Eurogamer leak.
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/super-metal-dave-on-nx-controlled-leak.454816344/#post-510658319

Nintendo Switch uses Tegra Maxwell. 

You can see the person who made the comment edited it from Pascal to Tegra. Not the most specific poster.
Doesn't rule out that Semiaccurate didn't specify Maxwell though, and the poster who even at first confused it for Pascal just didn't mention that part.
I can probably find a more specific post. This was literally the first hit that came up on Google. But I'm not interested in doing more research until you answer my question.

I ask again, why do you say these are unsupported claims? Based on what?
Do you just say that randomly? Or is this actually based on some proof where their claim has been debunked?

Also keep in mind that it costs 1000 dollars to access this article. If they charge that much for their information, they're either very confident in having provided correct inside info in the past, or it's a very over ambitious scam.

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My whole thought process regarding a possible PS5 before 2020 is: But Why?

Why cut the legs of one of their bestselling consoles short?

They still haven't even given the base model a permanent 199$ pricetag, there's still tons of sales potential in the console and no real need for a successor. 4K, while on the rise isn't mainstream enough in households to mandate better hardware than the pro yet. And 4k blue ray and broadcast is only just becoming a thing.

And there's no one forcing their hand. The scorpio, while admirable tech and somewhat rejuvenating for the Xbox, has done nothing to touch the PS4s success. The Switch, while admirable tech for it's format, and a runaway sales success isn't even close to PS4 specs and doesn't target quite the same market imho.
They don't want another Ps3 launch with an overpriced ambitious console no one can afford.



PS5 is not launching this holiday. Not a chance. Holiday 2019 at the earliest.



0331 Happiness is a belt-fed weapon

I still have my doubts that the PS5 will arrive any earlier than Q4 2020.



I think it's pretty clear that both the PS4 Pro and the X1X pushed the next gen further down the road. A 500 bucks PS5 wouldn't be able to significantly outperform a X1X. Hell, it wouldn't even be that much of a jump from a Pro when you factor in that most gens are close to a 10X jump.

Moreover, the PS4 was still up YoY last year. It's even debatable if it won't manage to do it again this year. Normally, consoles are replaced 2 or 3 years after their peak. I don't see much of a point for Sony to kill a cash cow that is now cheap to manufacture so soon.

The X1X launch is also another evidence that we won't see a new gen soon. MS wouln't launch a new and shiny X1 just so it basically become an obsolete last gen device. And it's painfully obvious that both MS and Sony are always extremely well informed about each other's roadmap.



as long as it has BC I dont care if it is powered by unicorns, I will buy it.