Forums - Politics Discussion - NATO, US, Canada, Australia & 25 European countries expel a total of 152 Russian envoys over Russian former spy poisoning

vivster said:
I always found this practice to be odd. Diplomats' whole existence is to do diplomacy. But the first thing they do after an incident that would require diplomacy is expelling the diplomats?

I don't know about the rest of the countries, but the USA is expelling specific individuals who are believed to be spies instead of "real" diplomats. 



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All without actual verifiable proof just speculation, way to start shit

It won't impress Russia that so many countries just toed the line, they will harden to this

Last edited by Rab - on 27 March 2018

Rab said:

All without actual verifiable proof just speculation, way to start shit

It won't impress Russia that so many countries just toed the line, they will harden to this

Do you need a list of all the bad things Russia has done over the past few decades?  Shit was started long ago.



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Why did we have to do this when we are not even sure Russia poisoned the the guy that was living in Britain.



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Last edited by SpokenTruth - on 28 March 2018

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Hiku said:
vivster said:
I always found this practice to be odd. Diplomats' whole existence is to do diplomacy. But the first thing they do after an incident that would require diplomacy is expelling the diplomats?

It's not their first course of action. Russia were given 14 days to explain how a Russian military grade nerve agent ended up poisoning a former Russian spy in the UK. No explanation was given. (Although Russia asked if they could analyze the nerve agent, iirc)

There's still not the slightest proof that it really was the russians (if someone wants to contradict, please do so - but name an actual proof, not some bullshit in the likes of "I've heard there is some dossier that contains proof").

So let's just assume for a second that it wasn't the russians - how exactly could they even react? If it wasn't the russians, then the russians are obviously as incapable as everyone else to explain things.

That's as if some person in Switzerland was murdered with a "Colt" revolver, and now everyone accuses the US to be responsible because "Colt" revolvers were developed in the US. And the US gets 14 days to fully explain the case.

Personally, I consider anyone who seriously believes it was the russians to be either very badly informed or to be a brainwashed moron. I mean, how can one seriously believe that out of the billion possible ways to kill the guy, they'd actually pick the very one way that instantly points towards them? It's completely ridiculous.



SpokenTruth said:
Rab said:

All without actual verifiable proof just speculation, way to start shit

It won't impress Russia that so many countries just toed the line, they will harden to this

Do you need a list of all the bad things Russia has done over the past few decades?  Shit was started long ago.

Yes, please post that list. I suggest starting in the 1940s. And of course, only mention things that are actually proven, not bullshit like the one that this thread is about.

And of course, also compile a list of all the bad things that for example the US has done in the same period. Hint: If that list isn't at least equally terrifying, you're obviously applying double standards.



Signalstar said:
Wonder when the Vgchartz cadre of "Russia is not that bad" apologists will show up and say something about this.

Well, the "Sure, I still haven't seen any actual proof, but if the Führers claim that it was the russians, I'm happy to turn my brain off" squad is obviously already there...



SpokenTruth said:
I highly doubt these countries are taking such action without some validation.

Perfect proof of what I just said: You're admitting that you haven't seen any actual proof whatsoever, you're just confident that the fact that some countries are taking action must mean that there must be truth to the accusations. You're probably not even wondering why it's basically only US allied countries on that list, maybe haven't even heard that it's very typical for the US to apply pressure to allied countries to join in on such actions, and I assume you're not even wondering why most countries on that list are only expelling the bare minimum, 1 or 2 diplomats, which indicates that they were reluctant to do so.



ArnoldRimmer said:
SpokenTruth said:

Do you need a list of all the bad things Russia has done over the past few decades?  Shit was started long ago.

Yes, please post that list. I suggest starting in the 1940s. And of course, only mention things that are actually proven, not bullshit like the one that this thread is about.

And of course, also compile a list of all the bad things that for example the US has done in the same period. Hint: If that list isn't at least equally terrifying, you're obviously applying double standards.

I never said the US was an angel.  I'm only stating that the shit didn't start with this diplomatic recall.

Not sure if you've read any of my posts but I'm usually one of the first to criticize the US and/or call it out for hypocrisy.

EDIT: Well. that answers the question of you being familiar with my stance on the US.

Last edited by SpokenTruth - on 28 March 2018

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