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North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un and U.S. President Donald Trump plan to meet in May for nuclear disarmament talks, a whiplash development that would put two leaders who've repeatedly insulted, threatened and dismissed each other in the same room, possibly in the North Korean capital of Pyongyang.

It would have been an unthinkable suggestion just a few months ago, when the insults were at their peak — Trump was a "senile dotard" and Kim was "Little Rocket Man" — and the North was snapping off regular weapons tests in a dogged march toward its goal of a viable nuclear arsenal that can threaten the U.S. mainland.

Liberal South Korean President Moon Jae-in, who some believe has manoeuvred the two leaders to this position, reflected the hope and relief many in South Korea feel about the planned summit, when he declared Friday that it will be a "historical milestone" that will put the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula "really on track."

But there's also considerable skepticism.

'Great progress being made'

North Korea, after all, has made a habit of reaching out, after raising fears during previous crises, with offers of dialogue meant to win aid and concessions. Some speculate that the North is trying to peel Washington away from its ally Seoul, weaken crippling sanctions and buy time for nuclear development. It has also, from the U.S. point of view, repeatedly cheated on past nuclear deals.

And now the North has landed a face-to-face meeting with the leader of the world's most powerful country, a nation that Pyongyang has long sought to draw into talks that it hopes would establish a peace treaty to end the technically still-active Korean War and drive out all U.S. troops from the Korean Peninsula, removing what the North says is a hostile encirclement of its territory by Washington and Seoul.

"Great progress being made," Trump tweeted after the South Korean national security director, Chung Eui-yong, emerged from a meeting with Trump and announced the summit plans to reporters in a hastily called appearance on a White House driveway.

That remains to be seen.

 

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I think it is just for show. Unless North Korea enjoyed getting out with the olympics and now want to be done with it all.



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Trump is no dummy. Kim is. It’s obvious NK wants sanctions lifted and increased aid in trade of disarmament, but how can Kim be trusted? How on earth would the US or SK conduct inspections? Most of the country is unmapped and unknown.

You cannot have peace with a dictator who enslaves millions of people. You just can’t.



As much as any talk between the President and another person. Nothing is said until the President is bored and leaves.



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Two kids, trapped in bodies of grown-up men, with some serious superiority complexes and unlimited access to their nuklear toys. What could possibly go wrong?



Nothing good for the civilized countries. There’s a reason that no other President has met with him or his father before him. He wants to be legitimized, to do that he’s attempting to get the President to meet with him. Trump will more than likely not see him. The point is to legitimize their regime and cut sanctions. Kim would also try to get the US military out of SK. It’s all dangerous and irresponsible. He should not meet with Un.



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StarOcean said:
Nothing good for the civilized countries. There’s a reason that no other President has met with him or his father before him. He wants to be legitimized, to do that he’s attempting to get the President to meet with him. Trump will more than likely not see him. The point is to legitimize their regime and cut sanctions. Kim would also try to get the US military out of SK. It’s all dangerous and irresponsible. He should not meet with Un.

Is that reason that the USA do not acknowledge North Korea as a sovereign state?



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StarOcean said:
Nothing good for the civilized countries. There’s a reason that no other President has met with him or his father before him. He wants to be legitimized, to do that he’s attempting to get the President to meet with him. Trump will more than likely not see him. The point is to legitimize their regime and cut sanctions. Kim would also try to get the US military out of SK. It’s all dangerous and irresponsible. He should not meet with Un.

Then what would you propose is the solution to the North Korean problem?



Kim-Jong Drumpf's regime has displayed a pattern of systemic incompetence for over 400 consecutive days. I see no reason that his poor leadership and unbroken chain of bad decisions is going to change any time soon. Even if a good idea does somehow manage to pop into his head, he doesn't have the temperament, the knowledge, or the personnel to properly implement it. Any progress will be in spite of the Failure-in-Chief, and it'll likely be short-lived.



RolStoppable said:
StarOcean said:
Nothing good for the civilized countries. There’s a reason that no other President has met with him or his father before him. He wants to be legitimized, to do that he’s attempting to get the President to meet with him. Trump will more than likely not see him. The point is to legitimize their regime and cut sanctions. Kim would also try to get the US military out of SK. It’s all dangerous and irresponsible. He should not meet with Un.

Is that reason that the USA do not acknowledge North Korea as a sovereign state?

Yes, 100%.

Carl2291 said:
StarOcean said:
Nothing good for the civilized countries. There’s a reason that no other President has met with him or his father before him. He wants to be legitimized, to do that he’s attempting to get the President to meet with him. Trump will more than likely not see him. The point is to legitimize their regime and cut sanctions. Kim would also try to get the US military out of SK. It’s all dangerous and irresponsible. He should not meet with Un.

Then what would you propose is the solution to the North Korean problem?

First off, do not legitimize them. That’s one of the stupidest things that could be done. Second, Trump should have absolutely no direct talks with Un. He’s too easily manipulated. The Chinese and Russians will be there so it is vital we have experienced individuals go. This admin has none of that. The entire thing puts the US at a disadvantage. Un should be heading to DC, not the other way around. It needs to be 100% public as well.

A solution would be to either sanction it until death or to sign a similar agreement that the US made with Cuba that we agree not to invade them in exchange for them to cut their nuclear program. Keep in mind the latter was largely a compromise after the US failed in the Bay of Pigs invasion. So the latter would not be preferable.



StarOcean said:
RolStoppable said:

Is that reason that the USA do not acknowledge North Korea as a sovereign state?

Yes, 100%.

Carl2291 said:

Then what would you propose is the solution to the North Korean problem?

First off, do not legitimize them. That’s one of the stupidest things that could be done. Second, Trump should have absolutely no direct talks with Un. He’s too easily manipulated. The Chinese and Russians will be there so it is vital we have experienced individuals go. This admin has none of that. The entire thing puts the US at a disadvantage. Un should be heading to DC, not the other way around. It needs to be 100% public as well.

A solution would be to either sanction it until death or to sign a similar agreement that the US made with Cuba that we agree not to invade them in exchange for them to cut their nuclear program. Keep in mind the latter was largely a compromise after the US failed in the Bay of Pigs invasion. So the latter would not be preferable.

Would it really be that much of concession to say that North Korea is a sovereign state and that its people aren't equal to Al Qaida?

I mean, it would be worth a shot to see if North Korea changes if they are met with a minimum amount of respect that they haven't received at any point yet. Offering respect won't cost the USA anything.



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