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“In Brazil we don’t have black neighbourhoods, we have neighbourhoods filled with black people.” I think that sums up the ridiculousness and ignorance of this thread.



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SpokenTruth said:
Aeolus451 said:

Everyone experiences some sort of racism in their life time. Anyone can look at empirical data or objective facts that can be backed and can come up with an informed opinion. You can't dismiss others' opinions because they're not brown enough. That in and of itself is racist.

Anecdotal experiences or heresay can't be used as proof of something like systemic racism or large scale racism because it's not objective. 

I didn't dismiss his conclusion because he's not brown but because he's not subject to the systematic racism he claims doesn't exist.  It's the lack of experience, not the lack of color.

And yes, anecdotes are admissible as they are they are relevant to the issue.  They are needed to realize the systemic nature of it all.

You did exactly that. He's not brown therefore he can't experience the so called systematic racism that you claim exists therefore his opinion doesn't matter. You're wrong on that and it's a bit racist.

If it's systematic then it can be proven with actual data and verifiable facts rather than with bogus anecdotes. This is not a joking or casual matter. You have show actual proof to claim something like that.



Ka-pi96 said:
RaptorChrist said:
Also, is America the only place in the world that makes movies? I know India has "Bollywood" or something like that, but I don't think they have any films that make it over here.

While Indian films are unlikely to see much success outside their home country, there are a still countries other than the US that do produce films that release worldwide. European, Chinese, South Korean and Japanese made films have all had success to varying degrees in the past. Hollywood has often copied foreign films and made their own versions of them too.

I think China's film industry is larger than the US.



DonFerrari said:
RaptorChrist said:
Out of curiosity, do European countries view the U.S. poorly?

I've heard that many countries around the world don't like us, but I'm not big into politics myself. I would think one of the reasons is the "ignorance" we have towards other countries. By that I mean that we don't really know a lot about other countries as much as they know about us.

I couldn't tell you who the leader of Brazil is, but most people around the world seem to know who Trump is. Also, is America the only place in the world that makes movies? I know India has "Bollywood" or something like that, but I don't think they have any films that make it over here.

A lot of the hatred against USA is really envy and jealousness.

I wanted to say something along those lines, but didn't know how to without coming off as a troll. I believe it's true, and maybe rightly so. I work for a web development company, and we offshore some of our work to people in Argentina. I definitely feel bad paying someone $20 an hour for work that is billed out at $150 per hour. But maybe it benefits Argentina? I'm sure that they are happy working for that price.



SpokenTruth said:
Aeolus451 said:

You did exactly that. He's not brown therefore he can't experience the so called systematic racism that you claim exists therefore his opinion doesn't matter. You're wrong on that and it's a bit racist.

If it's systematic then it can be proven with actual data and verifiable facts rather than with bogus anecdotes. This is not a joking or casual matter. You have show actual proof to claim something like that.

I am not dismissing his account because of his color but because of the lack of experience from his color.  If you cannot understand the difference, I don't know what else to tell you.  If a woman tells a man that he cannot know her experiences because he is a man, is that sexist?  No.   If a homosexual tells a heterosexual that they cannot know their experience, is that sexual orientation discrimination?  No. 

A white person cannot experience systemic racism in a society their race established it. 

Now I'm not saying they can't analyze it, they can't understand it.  I'm saying they can't experience it and it is typical for those that do not experience the effects of something to outright deny it exists.  Someone unaffected by rising sea levels is more likely to deny global climate change than someone who sees the seas encroaching upon their home.

Oh, and anecdotes together establish the proof.  They establish a pattern.  They provide direction on what to research.

But if you want a mix of anecdotes, research, data, statistics and supreme court rulings on the matter...see below.

https://www.bustle.com/p/this-is-proof-that-institutional-racism-is-still-very-much-a-problem-43610
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/want-to-see-proof-of-institutional-racism-let-weed-open-your-eyes/2017/08/22/099b7740-8751-11e7-a94f-3139abce39f5_story.html
http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873
http://newjimcrow.com/
https://www.extension.harvard.edu/inside-extension/exposing-bias-race-racism-america
https://www.urban.org/features/structural-racism-america
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)30569-X/fulltext
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)30259-3/fulltext
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32855-6/fulltext
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/09/11/1706255114.full
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/books/review/a-history-of-race-and-racism-in-america-in-24-chapters.html
https://www.thoughtco.com/examples-of-institutional-racism-in-the-u-s-2834624
http://www.weeklystandard.com/systemic-racism-is-everywhere-...-and-nowhere/article/2008880
https://www.thedailybeast.com/supreme-court-institutional-racism-is-real
https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/stephen-henderson/2017/08/18/henderson-how-we-continue-our-nations-march-toward-equality/580064001/
https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/11/white-americans-dont-face-racism/


 

When you're using someone's race or sex as a basis to undermine their arguments or to determine the worth of their arguments or exclude them, that's a bit fucked up and racist/sexist. I'm really starting to believe in the horseshoe theory when I see stuff like this. 

 You used Anita's website as a source on a gaming forum and you expect me to take as a credible source? 😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹



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RaptorChrist said:
DonFerrari said:

A lot of the hatred against USA is really envy and jealousness.

I wanted to say something along those lines, but didn't know how to without coming off as a troll. I believe it's true, and maybe rightly so. I work for a web development company, and we offshore some of our work to people in Argentina. I definitely feel bad paying someone $20 an hour for work that is billed out at $150 per hour. But maybe it benefits Argentina? I'm sure that they are happy working for that price.

Well there is a lot of other costs and margin involved in the hour of that person, so don't fell sad... and the alternative for that person if you didn't pay him the 20 per hour would be a local job at 5 per hour, so he is really happy with that wage... and his cost structure is totally different than yours because it is a cheaper country to live.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

SpokenTruth said:
narfwack said:

The media has blown racism way out of proportion for the US, showing a very vocal minority on both sides for ratings. There is no systemic racism and laws prevent it from ever happening. 

Unfortunately, you are speaking from a position that is not impacted by the problem and therefore you don't experience it and so to you, it doesn't exist.

 

SpokenTruth said:
Aeolus451 said:

 

When you're using someone's race or sex as a basis to undermine their arguments or to determine the worth of their arguments or exclude them, that's a bit fucked up and racist/sexist. I'm really starting to believe in the horseshoe theory when I see stuff like this. 

 You used Anita's website as a source on a gaming forum and you expect me to take as a credible source? 😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹

She writes there but not that piece.  Did you even bother to read it?  Any of it?  Any of those? 

And your horseshoe theory insinuation doesn't apply.  Experience in a given context based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age, etc..has more validity than by those who do not experience it because of their race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age, etc....  You are trying to make it appear negatively discriminating when it's not.  Is a mother or a father more likely to provide information on the experience of pregnancy and child birth?  You are claiming that I am being sexists if I say the mother.  Is a 5 year old or an 65 year old more likely to provide information on the experience of being 60?  According to you, I'm being ageist if I say the sexagenarian.   Is a Muslim or a Baptist more likely to provide information on the experience inside a Mosque?  By your reasoning, I am being discriminatory if I say the Muslim.

Therefore, if I dismiss a white male for denying systemic racism, you can't call that itself as racism.  It's a factor of experiencing the issue at hand.

She writes there is good enough to say anything from there is trash. Sift out the opinion pieces, blogs, anything using anecdotal experiences as proof. I want actual data from objective sources or unbiased facts that's backed up. 

I requoted the intial post I responded to so maybe we'll get back to the root of this. We're not talking about experiencing pregnancy or going to a mosque.

You're using his race as a basis to undermine his argument. He can't know of systemic racism because he's white, right? 




I’d also like to point out that the left wing of the US has a vocal group of people whom are also extremely racist. Whether it be ignorantly or purposefully -it is not excusable. They, like their right wing brethren are not and should not be excused for their behavior.

But since I already commented on the right wingers in this thread already, a good example of left wing racism would be the announcement of Jon Favreau as the writer of the live action Star Wars series coming out later on. I cannot even comprehend the hypocrisy and stupidity running out of the mouths of not just commenters but also Hollywood elites saying that they were disappointed he was picked rather than a black woman, gay man, or whatever. It’s like Jesus Christ, imagine if someone had said that for a female lead! Oh wait, we saw that with many of the reactions towards Rey. The Star Wars fanbase is actually a good place to look at everything wrong with American partisan politics today



SpokenTruth said:
StarOcean said:
I’d also like to point out that the left wing of the US has a vocal group of people whom are also extremely racist. Whether it be ignorantly or purposefully -it is not excusable. They, like their right wing brethren are not and should not be excused for their behavior.

But since I already commented on the right wingers in this thread already, a good example of left wing racism would be the announcement of Jon Favreau as the writer of the live action Star Wars series coming out later on. I cannot even comprehend the hypocrisy and stupidity running out of the mouths of not just commenters but also Hollywood elites saying that they were disappointed he was picked rather than a black woman, gay man, or whatever. It’s like Jesus Christ, imagine if someone had said that for a female lead! Oh wait, we saw that with many of the reactions towards Rey. The Star Wars fanbase is actually a good place to look at everything wrong with American partisan politics today

Well, Disney and LucasFilm kind of brought this one on themselves.  Right after both bragged about their diversity, they announce this guy on International Women's Day.  That's an invitation to have your "diversity" questioned and made worse when it was discovered that 96% of the IP's creative positions are white men.  They asked for this one.  I get what you're saying and it can go way overboard sometimes but this one was self induced.

I can agree the timing was bad. At the same time though, there’s a holiday like everyday now. But yes, it could have been timed better. But the behavior is still inexcusable.



SpokenTruth said:
Aeolus451 said:

 

She writes there is good enough to say anything from there is trash. Sift out the opinion pieces, blogs, anything using anecdotal experiences as proof. I want actual data from objective sources or unbiased facts that's backed up. 

I requoted the intial post I responded to so maybe we'll get back to the root of this. We're not talking about experiencing pregnancy or going to a mosque.

You're using his race as a basis to undermine his argument. He can't know of systemic racism because he's white, right? 


1. I also listed several research reports.

2. No, I didn't say he can't know systemic racism, I said he can't experience it. 

He can't experience it because of his race, right?

 

Because he can't experience it, what does that mean to his opinion and yours? Does it disprove his opinion? Does it mean it has less weight?