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Half A Billion Fewer Animals Are Being Killed Every Year Since 2007 As People Eat Less Meat

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scrapking said:
method114 said:

This is my diet pretty much. I also try and eat very little carbs just enough for my BJJ and weight lifting and that's it. I'm not sure what to think of Vegan diets and eating less meat in general. The science on this stuff is all over the place and riddled with poorly done studies.

The science isn't really all over the place.  Vested interests are creating studies to attempt to sew doubt with the public, just like the tobacco industry did in the second half of the 20th century.  Here's an example: want to create a study that tries to debunk cholesterol being bad?  Create a study where everyone eats the same amount of cholesterol, measure their cholesterol, note that they all end up with different amounts of cholesterol, and declare that there's no correlation.  That's the kind of science that the dairy and egg industries are famous for.  But it's junk science: everyone has different starting levels of cholesterol because of genetic differences.  However, if you reduce cholesterol in people's diet, you get a drop in bad cholesterol.  If you increase the cholesterol in people's diet, you get a rise in bad cholesterol.  Open and shut.

Independent science, not funded by vested interests, shows a consistent narrative.  Cholesterol is bad, saturated fat is bad, excessive amounts of animal protein in the diet is an anti-nutrient due to it overwhelming the liver, etc.  Vested interests are becoming increasingly brazen in creating junk science to convince people to buy their products, so government health agencies have had to start ignoring all industry-funded science in coming up with health recommendations (as the Canadian government recently did when updating the Canada Food Guide, as one of several recent examples).

You really don't have to look any farther than this: the healthiest and longest-living populations are the most plant-based such as the traditional Okinawan diet (98% plant-based), the Adventist vegans (100% plant-based), etc.  The adventist vegans are the longest-living population ever studied by science.  And these populations not only live longer, they have a reputation for being vibrant in their old age (aging okinawans doing tai chi, aging adventists mowing their own lawns instead of being in nursing homes, etc.)  People can debate theories until you're blue in the face, but when you put it to the test the more plant-based a population is the more likely it is to thrive.

That's the thing several things you have said here have already been debunked by scientist. I heard 3 hour interview where a scientist went over all of this and she had no vested interest. Do you have a source the "The adventist vegans are the longest-living population ever studied by science"  Couldn't find it online. Also stuff like this isn't science so we do have to look further. There is a process and a way things are done in the science community and they are done that way for a reason. Just going "look at them over there, do that they do cause it worked for them" isn't science.

In fact that was one of the main complaints during that 3 hour interview is how horrible studies are being done and it made me realize that you can't just read a studies headline you need to get into and see how it was done. She broke down one of those vegan documentaries and verified all their sources and went through each study in their source and broke down what the issues were with the study. One of the studies used by the american heart association was literally just a survey. Do you eat meat? Yes or No. They then used that data to decide if eating meat increases heart disease, etc.



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Edellus said:

Vegan haters are on the rise, tho; thirsty for a chance to trigger vegans.

Hahahahaha

What an apt metaphor!



method114 said:
scrapking said:

The science isn't really all over the place.  Vested interests are creating studies to attempt to sew doubt with the public, just like the tobacco industry did in the second half of the 20th century.  Here's an example: want to create a study that tries to debunk cholesterol being bad?  Create a study where everyone eats the same amount of cholesterol, measure their cholesterol, note that they all end up with different amounts of cholesterol, and declare that there's no correlation.  That's the kind of science that the dairy and egg industries are famous for.  But it's junk science: everyone has different starting levels of cholesterol because of genetic differences.  However, if you reduce cholesterol in people's diet, you get a drop in bad cholesterol.  If you increase the cholesterol in people's diet, you get a rise in bad cholesterol.  Open and shut.

Independent science, not funded by vested interests, shows a consistent narrative.  Cholesterol is bad, saturated fat is bad, excessive amounts of animal protein in the diet is an anti-nutrient due to it overwhelming the liver, etc.  Vested interests are becoming increasingly brazen in creating junk science to convince people to buy their products, so government health agencies have had to start ignoring all industry-funded science in coming up with health recommendations (as the Canadian government recently did when updating the Canada Food Guide, as one of several recent examples).

You really don't have to look any farther than this: the healthiest and longest-living populations are the most plant-based such as the traditional Okinawan diet (98% plant-based), the Adventist vegans (100% plant-based), etc.  The adventist vegans are the longest-living population ever studied by science.  And these populations not only live longer, they have a reputation for being vibrant in their old age (aging okinawans doing tai chi, aging adventists mowing their own lawns instead of being in nursing homes, etc.)  People can debate theories until you're blue in the face, but when you put it to the test the more plant-based a population is the more likely it is to thrive.

That's the thing several things you have said here have already been debunked by scientist. I heard 3 hour interview where a scientist went over all of this and she had no vested interest. Do you have a source the "The adventist vegans are the longest-living population ever studied by science"  Couldn't find it online. Also stuff like this isn't science so we do have to look further. There is a process and a way things are done in the science community and they are done that way for a reason. Just going "look at them over there, do that they do cause it worked for them" isn't science.

In fact that was one of the main complaints during that 3 hour interview is how horrible studies are being done and it made me realize that you can't just read a studies headline you need to get into and see how it was done. She broke down one of those vegan documentaries and verified all their sources and went through each study in their source and broke down what the issues were with the study. One of the studies used by the american heart association was literally just a survey. Do you eat meat? Yes or No. They then used that data to decide if eating meat increases heart disease, etc.

Precisely. What I find funny, though, is this belief that vested interests apply only to some. There's a huge amount of money going around vegan/"healthy" food, and this food is usually loaded with a lot of junk, like GM soy and corn. Meanwhile, recent studies seem to suggest that fats can actually help losing body fat and lowering harmful cholesterol. After all, the fact that most of the cholesterol in the body is produced by the body itself is nothing new.

In the last 40 years we have been told that fat is terrible for health and we should absolutely avoid it, especially saturated fat. Meanwhile, diseases linked to poor nutrition increased exponentially. Clearly correlation doesn't imply causation, but at least this gives an important information: the so called experts got it totally wrong for the last few decades.



last92 said:

In the last 40 years we have been told that fat is terrible for health and we should absolutely avoid it, especially saturated fat. Meanwhile, diseases linked to poor nutrition increased exponentially. Clearly correlation doesn't imply causation, but at least this gives an important information: the so called experts got it totally wrong for the last few decades.

Are you implying that most people actually heeded that advice and have been avoiding fats and saturated fats for the last 40 years? 



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Final-Fan said:

Are you implying that most people actually heeded that advice and have been avoiding fats and saturated fats for the last 40 years? 

Yes. I know a lot of people that are scared of fats and eat huge amounts of pasta and pizza to compensate because, you know, you have to get your calories somehow. Supermarkets are full of low fat junk. I don't know how the situation is in the USA, but the fact that the main pillar of weight loss programs still is "avoid fats" while modern research proves that the main culprit of high fat and high cholesterol in the body is not dietary fat, but farinaceous food instead, and fat actually has the opposite effect, is telling. They just have no idea. Or maybe they're just too ashamed and don't want to tell the world "Sorry, we were wrong until now".



Aren't vegans awesome? : https://imgur.com/gallery/XxFZH



NATO said:
Aren't vegans awesome? : https://imgur.com/gallery/XxFZH

Not as awesome as generalizing an entire group. 



NATO said:
Aren't vegans awesome? : https://imgur.com/gallery/XxFZH

Holy shit. That woman is crazy.



FIT_Gamer said:
NATO said:
Aren't vegans awesome? : https://imgur.com/gallery/XxFZH

Not as awesome as generalizing an entire group. 

Not as awesome as forcing a carnivore to be a vegan.