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Intrinsic said:
DonFerrari said:

1. 250 with Zelda would be a very good price for February onwards imho.


2. Sure X1 and PS4 are older and cheaper to manufacture, still Nintendo is on the same market and if costing the double while being half as powerful it may drive customers away after the early adopters buy.

 

  1. You must not know nintendo.... only thing that makes them drop the price is sales were sub par. Bust as they are now.... you can kiss any pricedrops in the immediate future goodbye. Unless sales suddenly tank. They will accomplish more in 1 years than they did in 4 years of the WiiU. Of course they aren't dropping any price.

  2. Funny..... there are people taht actually think the NS costs $250+ to make?

    A smartphone with more expensive parts and components (chips, Ram, higher rez screen, more storage space, cameras and more sensors than you can throw water at) costs less than $200 to make. Hell, you can get a tablet with a 7inch screen for as little as $50. 

    yet there are people that really believe that it costs $250 for the entire NS package?

 

I didn't say they will, I said 250 USD would be a good price for 2018 to keep the sales (and they are targeting 20M... unlike some people that really thought they were targeting to produce 30M and sell 25M).

Yep, when the console is based on NVdia tablet you can more or less assume they both cost similar to make. But some people think Nintendo is putting a very advanced tech inside.

PortisheadBiscuit said:
Intrinsic said:

 

  1. You must not know nintendo.... only thing that makes them drop the price is sales were sub par. Bust as they are now.... you can kiss any pricedrops in the immediate future goodbye. Unless sales suddenly tank. They will accomplish more in 1 years than they did in 4 years of the WiiU. Of course they aren't dropping any price.

  2. Funny..... there are people taht actually think the NS costs $250+ to make?

    A smartphone with more expensive parts and components (chips, Ram, higher rez screen, more storage space, cameras and more sensors than you can throw water at) costs less than $200 to make. Hell, you can get a tablet with a 7inch screen for as little as $50. 

    yet there are people that really believe that it costs $250 for the entire NS package?

 

I'm sure it isnt as simple as all that. What about the included joy cons, grip, dock, straps, adapter, hdmi cord etc, Dont forget it's quite a bit heavier and bulkier than a tablet so increased shipping and handling costs as well. 

Also a marketing campaign for a console I'd imagine is quite a bit more costly than say a $50 RCA tablet. That gets factored into the cost of Switch as well. 

All the accessories you put are basically injected plastic that shall not cost more than 30 USD.

IanSolo said:
Ka-pi96 said:

No, I asked why you thought VGC was overtracking and you had nothing to back up why you think that is the case. All you had was a source from 2015 that said PS4s market share in continental Europe is between 70-90% and since VGC has at it just shy of 81%... your source would actually suggest VGC is accurate.

I hope that Sony releases the numbers for the UK and Others market, so VGChartz will be really accurate for xbox one, because even a small weekly overestimation, after years it becomes a big overestimation for Xbox one.

They do, you just need to subscribe to their premium service. Also, Ka-pi96 already gave you the marketshare of continental europe for PS4. And in UK it is over 50% but not near 90%.



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Good. Healthy numbers for all.



Intrinsic said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

I'm sure it isnt as simple as all that. What about the included joy cons, grip, dock, straps, adapter, hdmi cord etc, Dont forget it's quite a bit heavier and bulkier than a tablet so increased shipping and handling costs as well. 

Also a marketing campaign for a console I'd imagine is quite a bit more costly than say a $50 RCA tablet. That gets factored into the cost of Switch as well. 

Trust me when I tell you that all those thing you mentioned (especially in bulk) doesn't cost nearly as much as most seem to think they do.

A japanese company tore down the NS and gave their own estimate of everything involved in making the NS and they arrived at $257.

But that company isn't even taking into account whatever kinda deals nintendo may have made for the parts or components used. Eg, they have the joycons priced at $45 on tehir own to make. Not a chance in hell thats accurate when like I said an entire fully working tablet complete with cameras and sensors and processors and screen costs around $50 at RETAIL. So can you imagine how much it cost to make that?

HDMI cord? Cents en masse, dock? Have you seen inside the dock? Do not let its size fool you.

Estimates have it pegged at $250.... I am simply saying I am sure it costs even less than that. Nintendo could have sold the NS at $250 and broke even. But Nintendo will be Nintendo..... and don't even get me started on the prices of their accessories.

Contrary to what nintendo or some of its fans would have you (or most people) believe, we aren't living in a tech vacuum. You wanna have an idea of how much the NS costs? just look around at all the tech already out there.

And lets even assume you are a complete failure of a company and you will not make a dime from sales of software and accessories so you must make consumers pay for your marketing; and we add $10 marketing subcharge to each console sold.... with 10M sales thats $100M. and that still doesn't take the console up to $299. Nintendo just priced the NS as they did cause as they always do? they knew they would get away with it. 

Such estimates are notorious for lowballing the real costs. For example, in 2011 the 3DS was estimated to cost ~$120 to manufacture. When Nintendo told investors that the price cut to $170 would result in the system being sold at a loss, you'd think that can't be true based on the estimates. But Nintendo's financials made it clear who has an idea of what they are talking about.

If estimates peg Switch at $250, then you can be sure that the real costs are higher than that.



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CGI-Quality said:

New Numbers

PlatformN. AmericaEuropeJapanGlobal
443,391 340,496 33,421 1,001,089
336,346 111,257 128,945 626,196
405,299 121,049 487 587,494
112,791 74,621 35,147 241,494
925 4,317 5,967 12,989
197 288 47 641
117 267 44 552
153 118 N/A 341

 

Before

PlatformN. AmericaEuropeJapanGlobal
443,391 288,496 33,421 909,089
336,346 111,257 128,945 629,196
405,299 121,049 487 587,494
112,791 74,621 35,147 241,494
925 4,317 5,967 12,989
197 288 47 641
117 267 44 552
153 118 N/A 341

Surely there's an upwards adjustment of 375,000 units for the Switch pending.



Miguel_Zorro said:
CGI-Quality said:

New Numbers

PlatformN. AmericaEuropeJapanGlobal
443,391 340,496 33,421 1,001,089
336,346 111,257 128,945 626,196
405,299 121,049 487 587,494
112,791 74,621 35,147 241,494
925 4,317 5,967 12,989
197 288 47 641
117 267 44 552
153 118 N/A 341

 

Before

PlatformN. AmericaEuropeJapanGlobal
443,391 288,496 33,421 909,089
336,346 111,257 128,945 629,196
405,299 121,049 487 587,494
112,791 74,621 35,147 241,494
925 4,317 5,967 12,989
197 288 47 641
117 267 44 552
153 118 N/A 341

Surely there's an upwards adjustment of 375,000 units for the Switch pending.

Why?



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Bah, guess Switch wont be beating the Wii U's ltd by the end of 2017 then, but should easily do so in the first full year atleast.



Miguel_Zorro said:
CGI-Quality said:

New Numbers

PlatformN. AmericaEuropeJapanGlobal
443,391 340,496 33,421 1,001,089
336,346 111,257 128,945 626,196
405,299 121,049 487 587,494
112,791 74,621 35,147 241,494
925 4,317 5,967 12,989
197 288 47 641
117 267 44 552
153 118 N/A 341

 

Before

PlatformN. AmericaEuropeJapanGlobal
443,391 288,496 33,421 909,089
336,346 111,257 128,945 629,196
405,299 121,049 487 587,494
112,791 74,621 35,147 241,494
925 4,317 5,967 12,989
197 288 47 641
117 267 44 552
153 118 N/A 341

Surely there's an upwards adjustment of 375,000 units for the Switch pending.

Switch announced numbers doesn't necessarily correlates to a week ending.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Pokemon is the last huge sales driver Nintendo has to release in the near future. Its hard to imagine them keeping pace with none of the big AAA games launching on their console. Especially at a 299 price point.



Rayban99 said:

Pokemon is the last huge sales driver Nintendo has to release in the near future. Its hard to imagine them keeping pace with none of the big AAA games launching on their console. Especially at a 299 price point.

Can people please stop making things up?



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zorg1000 said:
Rayban99 said:

Pokemon is the last huge sales driver Nintendo has to release in the near future. Its hard to imagine them keeping pace with none of the big AAA games launching on their console. Especially at a 299 price point.

Can people please stop making things up?

Why? His opinion sound pretty realistic to me