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I think the PS4 is selling so well because it’s a powerful system for a great price.



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zippy said:

This probably won't go down well, but complete lack of competition also helps. Don't get me wrong Sony have done great but let's not pretend Nintendo and Microsoft didn't make major mis-steps.

To say there's a complete lack of competition is overstating the reality of the situation. Xbox is the current weak link, and they're doing well enough. I'm REALLY interested to see if the Switch can maintain it's momentum, if for no other reason than it's sales potential has been such a massively contentious topic on this site. I do agree that Sony has made the best moves this gen. It's almost impossible to argue that point.



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Ucouldntbemorewrong said:
Barkley said:
I'm sure it's doing fine.

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Ganoncrotch said:

The PS4 is selling like this because of the X1 reveal. IMO.

That reveal was just an absolute disaster, they left the door wide open for Sony in all markets, even their tightly held US. So yeah... the PS4's Gimmick was Smartglass, TV integration, DDR3 memory, empty promises of cloud power (remember that?), always online, no more trading of games, Kinect always kinected (remember that?), moving all games from the console to Games for Windows Live 10, but yeah... for Sony the handy thing is, all those ideas were on the systems main rival.

I bought a PS3 after that reveal, and a PS4 soon after launch, after being a X360 fan all last gen.

Well not exactly.

PS3 at the end of it's gen had much hearts and mind share due to the high quality exclusive releases at the end of that gen. Where as 360 near the end was forgotten from MS with exclusives. Along with sour taste in peoples mouths with the RLOD on 360.

Then yes MS with it's $100 more DRM in place, gotta have Kinetic for it to work lie. Did not help.

Plus Sony showing the roadmap of Exclusive games coming within the next 3 years plus deals with 3rd party AAA games DLC first to PS4.

And now 3 years later with all the P4 Exclusive games coming out with all the mind share and installed base, it's just a snowball effect till at least next gen if not longer as long as Sony does not fumble the ball to PS5 in 2020.

 

With full BC poised to become the norm in the next round, and digital purchases being bigger than ever, this gen will see a "carry over" effect that's stronger than it's ever been in past generations. Building a customer base has never been more important than it is now, especially for Sony and MS. It would take a monumental series of fuck ups for a gamer to abandon their favorite ecosystem at this point. Nintendo is not exempt of course, but they do exist in a slightly different space. Still competitors, but they are more apt to be paired with a Sony or MS console, as opposed to somebody buying an Xbox and Playstation combo. MS REALLY fucked up more than anybody else. I don't see how they ever get back to XB360 numbers, which, make no mistake, were somewhat padded due to it's high failure rate, and subsequently higher than normal levels of recurrent purchases.

Last edited by COKTOE - on 28 December 2017

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i think it was somthing from all, good price point from the start (sony learned from ps3), really good first party games, good third party deals



Games sell consoles, not a fad.



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LethalP said:

We all know PS1 and PS2 only sold because they played CD/DVD's, and the PS3 proved that without the help of the new hot multimedia format (Blu-Ray was luke warm), PlayStation sales weren't all that hot, yaus? So it's strange to see Sony's gaming centric approach push the PS4 to these levels of success previously only seen on consoles with fads at their forefront (like CD, like DVD, like motion controls, touch screen etc.).

Maybe it's something else not game related selling the PS4? Because after all, no console in the history of ever sold the way PS4 is without some out-of-the-norm novelty compared to it's competition. So either PS1/2 sold for the same reason PS4 is, the library, or PS4 is an unseen anomoly in the gaming industry? Interesting stuff.

The NES.  Going by market share it actually sold even better than PS4 (90% market share in peak years).  All it did is play games.  Also every Nintendo handheld is basically the same story.



Vizigoth04 said:
LethalP said:

Hows it dorky? It's fundamental information sir.

Maybe you are trying to say now that your OP was sarcasm and I get that. Innovation such as CD drive, DVD drive or Blu-ray or even cartridge isn't fad. It's experiment with Technology. Using different times of medium to can have different cost and different perks. Sony sold CD/DVD/Blu-ray players separately as well. Those wouldn't be fads either. Just gains in Technology. It seems as though the next gains if you call them that would be Digital Distribution. A fad is a fidget spinner, a yoyo, or bell bottoms. Some come back. Others don't. But CD players don't come back at all. They're obsolete in the entertainment and technology industry.

Without getting wrapped up in semantics my definition of a fad was different, perhaps wrong even.

Motion controls for the Wii for example was a development in technology much like CD or DVD, but it was also what overwhelmingly sold the Wii to 25 million people a year. People who had never owned a games console prior or since. It's hard to dispute that because what else sold the Wii to that many people? Take motion controls away and you're left with a Gamecube in another box, it would have flopped hard. Now to be straight, I don't think the PS1 and 2 sold because of CD's and DVD's, but apparently some think they did. And that being the case DVD's would be (my definition) of a fad. Perhaps the wrong word to use, maybe 'selling point' would have been more accurate. The technology itself isn't the fad, it's the novelty that it created that is the fad.



COKTOE said:
Ucouldntbemorewrong said:

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Well not exactly.

PS3 at the end of it's gen had much hearts and mind share due to the high quality exclusive releases at the end of that gen. Where as 360 near the end was forgotten from MS with exclusives. Along with sour taste in peoples mouths with the RLOD on 360.

Then yes MS with it's $100 more DRM in place, gotta have Kinetic for it to work lie. Did not help.

Plus Sony showing the roadmap of Exclusive games coming within the next 3 years plus deals with 3rd party AAA games DLC first to PS4.

And now 3 years later with all the P4 Exclusive games coming out with all the mind share and installed base, it's just a snowball effect till at least next gen if not longer as long as Sony does not fumble the ball to PS5 in 2020.

 

With full BC poised to become the norm in the next round, and digital purchases being bigger than ever, this gen will see a "carry over" effect that's stronger than it's ever been in past generations. Building a customer base has never been more important than it is now, especially for Sony and MS. It would take a monumental series of fuck ups for a gamer to abandon their favorite ecosystem at this point. Nintendo is not exempt of course, but they do exist in a slightly different space. Still competitors, but they are more apt to be paired with a Sony or MS console, as opposed to somebody buying an Xbox and Playstation combo. MS REALLY fucked up more than anybody else. I don't see how they ever get back to XB360 numbers, which, make no mistake, were somewhat padded due to it's high failure rate, and subsequently higher than normal levels of recurrent purchases.

I think BC at the start of a new generation is paramount. 3 years in it's not that big of a deal.

Come PS5 and XB1X2 BC is going to have to be there, and at 100% compatible to PS4 and BX1, not what it is right now.



Ucouldntbemorewrong said:
COKTOE said:

With full BC poised to become the norm in the next round, and digital purchases being bigger than ever, this gen will see a "carry over" effect that's stronger than it's ever been in past generations. Building a customer base has never been more important than it is now, especially for Sony and MS. It would take a monumental series of fuck ups for a gamer to abandon their favorite ecosystem at this point. Nintendo is not exempt of course, but they do exist in a slightly different space. Still competitors, but they are more apt to be paired with a Sony or MS console, as opposed to somebody buying an Xbox and Playstation combo. MS REALLY fucked up more than anybody else. I don't see how they ever get back to XB360 numbers, which, make no mistake, were somewhat padded due to it's high failure rate, and subsequently higher than normal levels of recurrent purchases.

I think BC at the start of a new generation is paramount. 3 years in it's not that big of a deal.

Come PS5 and XB1X2 BC is going to have to be there, and at 100% compatible to PS4 and BX1, not what it is right now.

Oh, for sure. Even though it's been done before with the PS2, Wii, Wii-U, DS line, and to a lesser extent, the PS3, it's still going to be the "new" paradigm going forward. The piecemeal, hodgepodge, after the fact approach currently being employed by MS, while laudable, is not even close to the same thing as absolute, 100% BC out of the gate.



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Ganoncrotch said:

The PS4 is selling like this because of the X1 reveal. IMO.

That reveal was just an absolute disaster, they left the door wide open for Sony in all markets, even their tightly held US. So yeah... the PS4's Gimmick was Smartglass, TV integration, DDR3 memory, empty promises of cloud power (remember that?), always online, no more trading of games, Kinect always kinected (remember that?), moving all games from the console to Games for Windows Live 10, but yeah... for Sony the handy thing is, all those ideas were on the systems main rival.

I bought a PS3 after that reveal, and a PS4 soon after launch, after being a X360 fan all last gen.

Gotta agree here. If XB1 had been at least as powerful as PS4 for the same price on release without all of the BS with Kinect and cloud and always online, I feel like XB1 sales would be at least 10m higher than they are now while PS4's would be at least 10m lower, possibly even 15m.