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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
massimus said:
Machiavellian said:

Ahhh, understand.  I have seen a few people make this claim but most time they never post any examples.  I was hoping to see some concrete stuff just in case I missed something.

One good objective point that any reasonable person would agree with is the way he has gone after American hostages. He is really, really good at getting our people back. Like most recently with the Kim summit, he got our hostages on good faith and then canceled that shit lol. He’s ruthless and it’s hilarious, the summit is back on of course but even if it wasn’t, we still got our people back. He didn’t have to trade terrorist leaders or fly billion dollar pallets (of different untraceable currencies) to secret drop spots like Obama did. He’s good at negotiations because people think he’s crazy, he’s playing those people like a fiddle.

I would not consider that a good thing.  You get something then you cancel a agreement.  What it does is make it look like the American president cannot be trusted.  When your word is your bond, why would anyone trust you after that.  Now when you go into Negotiations, they will bring up that very incident, show where you have either lied or been deceitful and thus ask for the world.  There is nothing really smart about how he goes about negotiations.  First he threatens then he wants to go to the table believe these countries must deal the way he sees fit.  The problem is that they will all just sit tight and see what happens in 2 years or 6.  Also, since we do not know, how things will go with these negotiations, you cannot really give him any credit until the ink drys on the agreement.  



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Machiavellian said:
massimus said:

One good objective point that any reasonable person would agree with is the way he has gone after American hostages. He is really, really good at getting our people back. Like most recently with the Kim summit, he got our hostages on good faith and then canceled that shit lol. He’s ruthless and it’s hilarious, the summit is back on of course but even if it wasn’t, we still got our people back. He didn’t have to trade terrorist leaders or fly billion dollar pallets (of different untraceable currencies) to secret drop spots like Obama did. He’s good at negotiations because people think he’s crazy, he’s playing those people like a fiddle.

I would not consider that a good thing.  You get something then you cancel a agreement.  What it does is make it look like the American president cannot be trusted.  When your word is your bond, why would anyone trust you after that.  Now when you go into Negotiations, they will bring up that very incident, show where you have either lied or been deceitful and thus ask for the world.  There is nothing really smart about how he goes about negotiations.  First he threatens then he wants to go to the table believe these countries must deal the way he sees fit.  The problem is that they will all just sit tight and see what happens in 2 years or 6.  Also, since we do not know, how things will go with these negotiations, you cannot really give him any credit until the ink drys on the agreement.  

He's proven to be untrustworthy time and again. 

There will come a point where everyone except despot dictators will want to be in the same room as him. With him pulling out of some many agreements other countries will follow suit. With no economic allies, this will eventually lead to no military allies. Let's see how the American masses who voted for him like that. Then they'll hunker down and blame the world like North Korea have done, with they Us Vs Them mentality. Ironically NK is now becoming more open than the US. I repeat the US has the government and leader they deserve. The US citizens will learn a valuable lesson about dictatorships first hand. 



massimus said:
Machiavellian said:

Ahhh, understand.  I have seen a few people make this claim but most time they never post any examples.  I was hoping to see some concrete stuff just in case I missed something.

One good objective point that any reasonable person would agree with is the way he has gone after American hostages. He is really, really good at getting our people back. Like most recently with the Kim summit, he got our hostages on good faith and then canceled that shit lol. He’s ruthless and it’s hilarious, the summit is back on of course but even if it wasn’t, we still got our people back. He didn’t have to trade terrorist leaders or fly billion dollar pallets (of different untraceable currencies) to secret drop spots like Obama did. He’s good at negotiations because people think he’s crazy, he’s playing those people like a fiddle.

You do realize that 10 NK hostages were returned during Obama's term, right?



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:
massimus said:

One good objective point that any reasonable person would agree with is the way he has gone after American hostages. He is really, really good at getting our people back. Like most recently with the Kim summit, he got our hostages on good faith and then canceled that shit lol. He’s ruthless and it’s hilarious, the summit is back on of course but even if it wasn’t, we still got our people back. He didn’t have to trade terrorist leaders or fly billion dollar pallets (of different untraceable currencies) to secret drop spots like Obama did. He’s good at negotiations because people think he’s crazy, he’s playing those people like a fiddle.

You do realize that 10 NK hostages were returned during Obama's term, right?

Shhh. No place for facts here. Only feelings  



Lol that people still insist that the United States should have continued to keep Iran's money.



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Machiavellian said:
massimus said:

One good objective point that any reasonable person would agree with is the way he has gone after American hostages. He is really, really good at getting our people back. Like most recently with the Kim summit, he got our hostages on good faith and then canceled that shit lol. He’s ruthless and it’s hilarious, the summit is back on of course but even if it wasn’t, we still got our people back. He didn’t have to trade terrorist leaders or fly billion dollar pallets (of different untraceable currencies) to secret drop spots like Obama did. He’s good at negotiations because people think he’s crazy, he’s playing those people like a fiddle.

I would not consider that a good thing.  You get something then you cancel a agreement.  What it does is make it look like the American president cannot be trusted.  When your word is your bond, why would anyone trust you after that.  Now when you go into Negotiations, they will bring up that very incident, show where you have either lied or been deceitful and thus ask for the world.  There is nothing really smart about how he goes about negotiations.  First he threatens then he wants to go to the table believe these countries must deal the way he sees fit.  The problem is that they will all just sit tight and see what happens in 2 years or 6.  Also, since we do not know, how things will go with these negotiations, you cannot really give him any credit until the ink drys on the agreement.  

That's because you are looking at it wrong. The hostages were not a part of the negotiations, he didn't go back on his word the meeting is still on. When NK stopped taking calls on the summit and were talking shit about Pence and others then Trump canceled the meeting. The NKs were begging to be back at the table the next day. He doesn't take shit from them and it scares them. My point is that the negotiations themselves are great and new. They might fail on their face but the attempt is progress. The hostages were just being a good president. He personally released 17 hostages in his first year and pardoned a bunch of people as well.  He pardoned Scooter Libby to take a jab at Mueller and even Kim Kardashian's friend as a celebrity President. That's unheard of but it's not unconstitutional, it's nontraditional. It's well within the authority of the President but they usually wait to the end of their presidency to do most of that stuff. He is good at negotiations, I'm a free market guy so I loathe the tariff system. That's for countries without an income tax. He's using tariffs to jab our allies in the face. It's a shakeup for sure but it's not destroying anything. Like a big brother terrorizing his sibling. Lower your tariffs and i'll lower mine, lower your tariffs and i'll lower mine. When you actually look at the broader scope of things it can be comedic genius.



SpokenTruth said:
massimus said:

One good objective point that any reasonable person would agree with is the way he has gone after American hostages. He is really, really good at getting our people back. Like most recently with the Kim summit, he got our hostages on good faith and then canceled that shit lol. He’s ruthless and it’s hilarious, the summit is back on of course but even if it wasn’t, we still got our people back. He didn’t have to trade terrorist leaders or fly billion dollar pallets (of different untraceable currencies) to secret drop spots like Obama did. He’s good at negotiations because people think he’s crazy, he’s playing those people like a fiddle.

You do realize that 10 NK hostages were returned during Obama's term, right?

Fact: "During Obama's term"

False Feelings: Because of Obama



massimus said:
SpokenTruth said:

You do realize that 10 NK hostages were returned during Obama's term, right?

Fact: "During Obama's term"

False Feelings: Because of Obama

Lol.  Do you seriously think the recent three releases were directly because of Trump?



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

specialk said:
Lol that people still insist that the United States should have continued to keep Iran's money.

See that's a different discussion than this though. I'm talking about the way Obama gave them their money in secret pallets of untraceable world currencies. Traded terrorists for deserters. Obama funded terrorism through his deals. Hostages are a precursor to the deal for Trump, not the actual deal.  You are saying it wasn't a ransom payment because it was their money right? If Trump did that for these NK hostages he would be impeached tomorrow and rightfully so.

 

I have nothing against the Iranian people but I agree with sanctions instead of outright conquest and world building.  I agree with significantly easing the sanctions on NK if they denuclearize and I would feel the same way about Iran. It gives the people a fighting chance to figure their own shit out or continue down the familiar. If someday the Iranian people actually get their government back then I wouldn't care if they had nuclear weapons. Same with Korea or even Japan for that matter, who cares.



SpokenTruth said:
massimus said:

Fact: "During Obama's term"

False Feelings: Because of Obama

Lol.  Do you seriously think the recent three releases were directly because of Trump?

Absolutely. Including the Venezuela  one.