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PS4 VS Switch lifetime sales, which console will sell the most?

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What do you expect?

NSW will win by a huge margin 18 6.69%
 
NSW will win by a small margin 59 21.93%
 
PS4 will win by a small margin 70 26.02%
 
PS4 will win by a huge margin 115 42.75%
 
Sorry, no troll XB1 option. :P Oh wait... 7 2.60%
 
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Ryng_Tolu said:
quickrick said:

3 of those consoles had shit launch sales though, except for ps4 but even that wasn't great when you consider it sold out in 24 hours 1.3 million units in november it had nothing to with the holidays.  

I don't care about all of this discussion (even if, SPOILER, holidays of cuorse matter for console sales... like wtf i can't believe you are aldo discussing this lol), but can you AT LEAST use the right numbers?

PS4 sold 1.14 million in November NPD 2013 (all month, not 24h), and 860k in December. I have no idea where that 1.3 million is coming from.

umm of course holidays matter, but it doesn't when you have launch at the holidays and don't have enough supply. did the holiday help the wii in anyway or 360, no they didn't. a system with high demand can do 1 million easy with out the holidays for the month, get my point.  as for ps4 selling 1 million in 24 hours sony announced it themselves.

https://gamerant.com/ps4-sales-units/

yea i made a mistake with npd numbers, sorry about that,

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Lauster said:
Miyamotoo said:

I don't see how what you wrote has anything with what I wrote. Point that all those consoles wouldn't had so great launch sales if they were launched outside holiday season.

And from what data do you affirm that please ? It's just an assumption from you without existing possible fact.

Sorry, but since the start of this talk you only keep proving me that you don't know how these things work.

Fact that every console sell better during holiday season compared to any other period of year, in most cases consoles sale more in November and December than in two quarter before holiday season. There is also reason why most of consoles have launch during holiday season. Even Wii U thats worst selling Nintendo console ever, had good launch because holiday season, but right away after holiday season it started selling catastrophic.

 

 

quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

PS4 was launched on 15. November, I am pretty sure lotsa people used their holiday money for PS4 purchase. I mean even Wii U thats worst selling Nintendo console ever, had good launch because holiday season, but right away after holiday season it started selling catastrophic.

of course holidays can help greatly if the console, doesn't have much demand at launch like the wiiu, but ps4 already had a million pre-orders way before it launched, switch for example sold about the same amount as wii in its first month, compared to wii november and december, because of supply issues. anyway next year it ill a 100% fair comparison for both for the full year. 

Holiday season helps in any case, console that don't have demand will start heaving demand, console that has demand will have even much bigger demand, there is reason why consoles always have huge boost during holiday season, and of course that same goes for launch of console also. Pre-orders for console that was launch just before holiday season. And that's exactly my point, because Switch has launch in March and had most of year supply problems and still have them, while PS4 was launch in holiday season and had less stock problems, comparison is definitely not best, and hole second year would be much better for comparison assuming Switch does not have supply problems.



quickrick said:

lol thats not true at all, ps2, 360, ps4 and wii, all were sold out at launch, just because your launching during the holidays doesn't mean they will ample stock, infact its pretty damn rare.

lets take the PS4 for instance.

 in development for at least 3 years before its launch. It was announced 9 months before its launch. Mass production started Approximately 8 weeks before its launch. It was targeting a holiday window launch. Do you know how many consoles it was able to get ready for launch during the holiday period?

2.1M consoles.

After its launch week there were absolutely zero PS4s available anywhere. Sales crashed the week after. In truth, most regions sold out in 48hrs of all available stock.

Between November ending and January 3rd 2014 they were able to get another 2.2M consoles to market. And that ended the launch window, then manufacturing actually dropped to around 1M consoles a month following that. Why? Because it costs more to manufacture a console if you have them working around the clock. It cost more meeting demand if you have to ship via air freight. 

Everything you are saying is based on this assumption that knowing they are releasing during the holiday launch window, nintendo would have made more than 2M consoles. And I am trying to tell you that it just doesn't work that way. And I have every console released over the last 3 decades, be it holiday period or not..... nit a single one has managed to push out more than 2.5M consoles in its launch week, even worse its launch day.

I am saying what I am saying based on every console launched before now. What are you basing your own theory on? 

I'll say again, feel free to refute this. Can you show me a console that launched (at any time of the year) with as much as a shipment of 4M consoles in its launch week? You will find that they usually hit that 4-5M target in the "launch window" which is usually around 2-4 months after launch. It took nintendo 6 months to do that with the NS. Not because they were not successful, but because for whatever reason... they couldn't make the consoles fast enough.

Whatever stops them from being able to do that, doesn't just go away because they are releasing in the november. It took the wii over a year to sort out their stock issues.

Don't get me wrong. I totally agree that hardware (hell everything) sells better during the holidays. And there are some consoles (eg XB1) that benefitted more from releasing in november than say if it had released in march (because it was marred in controversy from day one).

But when looking at hardware that is obviously successful and hits the ground running. IT DOES NOT matter which month it launches in. It just would not be able to meet demand. 

Here is some math for you. 

If in its first 6 months on the market the switch sold 7M consoles. And during those six months it was out of stock, meaning that for 6 months every stock that was available was sold. Do you know that means that if they had launched with 7M consoles in the first 2 months (call those two months the launch window) it would still have sold out of them all? Regardless of what time of the year.

As I have been saying, this notion of yours only holds water if you could find NS consoles on shelves a month after launch. You couldn't. So stop talking about what plan nintendo had or how they could do something that no console manufacturer (including them) has ever done. And make your case with facts as opposed of your gut feelings.



Miyamotoo said:

Fact that every console sell better during holiday season compared to any other period of year, in most cases consoles sale more in November and December than in two quarter before holiday season. There is also reason why most of consoles have launch during holiday season. Even Wii U thats worst selling Nintendo console ever, had good launch because holiday season, but right away after holiday season it started selling catastrophic.

You just spew a lot of nonsense. At least try and understand your facts.

Yes consoles sells better during the holiday season. But its not because it launched in it. Its because its the HOLIDAY SEASON period.

LAST 8 weeks of the year

  • 2013 (PS4 Launch) = 4.2M 
  • 2015 (just a normal holiday period) = 8.06M
  • 2016 = ~8M
see the trend? And do you know why sony even had that many consoles to sell around the holidays? I'll give you a hint... its something that will be impossible to accomplish during the launch window. regardless of what time of the year you launch.


Intrinsic said:
Miyamotoo said:

Fact that every console sell better during holiday season compared to any other period of year, in most cases consoles sale more in November and December than in two quarter before holiday season. There is also reason why most of consoles have launch during holiday season. Even Wii U thats worst selling Nintendo console ever, had good launch because holiday season, but right away after holiday season it started selling catastrophic.

You just spew a lot of nonsense. At least try and understand your facts.

Yes consoles sells better during the holiday season. But its not because it launched in it. Its because its the HOLIDAY SEASON period.

LAST 8 weeks of the year

 

  • 2013 (PS4 Launch) = 4.2M 
  • 2015 (just a normal holiday period) = 8.06M
  • 2016 = ~8M
see the trend? And do you know why sony even had that many consoles to sell around the holidays? I'll give you a hint... its something that will be impossible to accomplish during the launch window. regardless of what time of the year you launch.

 

Lol, you are that spew nonsense. Fact that is they are selling better during holiday season in any case, and that also goes when consoles are launched during holiday season also, console thats launching during holiday season will sell better and much easier compared to same console would launch outside holiday season.



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Nintendo fans conceding that it makes sense that the argument that Switch's launch in March is no different than PS4's November launch due to the amount a company can actually produce to meet demand would mean that they give up the only argument they have in regards to explaining how the Switch will somehow outsell PS4 despite being way behind launch aligned. That will not be given up easily.



Miyamotoo said:
Intrinsic said:

You just spew a lot of nonsense. At least try and understand your facts.

Yes consoles sells better during the holiday season. But its not because it launched in it. Its because its the HOLIDAY SEASON period.

LAST 8 weeks of the year

 

  • 2013 (PS4 Launch) = 4.2M 
  • 2015 (just a normal holiday period) = 8.06M
  • 2016 = ~8M
see the trend? And do you know why sony even had that many consoles to sell around the holidays? I'll give you a hint... its something that will be impossible to accomplish during the launch window. regardless of what time of the year you launch.

 

Lol, you are that spew nonsense. Fact that is they are selling better during holiday season in any case, and that also goes when consoles are launched during holiday season also, console thats launching during holiday season will sell better and much easier compared to same console would launch outside holiday season.

idk what nonsense about that, do you know the switch, out sold 360, wii, and ps2 during a none holiday period the first 2 months , its only because those systems didn't have stock. how can you sell better during the holidays when they can't even satisfy launch demand. LOL.



Intrinsic said:
Miyamotoo said:

Fact that every console sell better during holiday season compared to any other period of year, in most cases consoles sale more in November and December than in two quarter before holiday season. There is also reason why most of consoles have launch during holiday season. Even Wii U thats worst selling Nintendo console ever, had good launch because holiday season, but right away after holiday season it started selling catastrophic.

You just spew a lot of nonsense. At least try and understand your facts.

Yes consoles sells better during the holiday season. But its not because it launched in it. Its because its the HOLIDAY SEASON period.

LAST 8 weeks of the year

 

  • 2013 (PS4 Launch) = 4.2M 
  • 2015 (just a normal holiday period) = 8.06M
  • 2016 = ~8M
see the trend? And do you know why sony even had that many consoles to sell around the holidays? I'll give you a hint... its something that will be impossible to accomplish during the launch window. regardless of what time of the year you launch.

 

This is actually an excellent way to prove your point. The numbers speak for themselves but of course certain people will never be able to admit the validity of this argument due to extreme bias. Strong chance you're wasting your time here



bluedawgs said:
Nintendo fans conceding that it makes sense that the argument that Switch's launch in March is no different than PS4's November launch due to the amount a company can actually produce to meet demand would mean that they give up the only argument they have in regards to explaining how the Switch will somehow outsell PS4 despite being way behind launch aligned. That will not be given up easily.

Just watch, in a few months when Switch holidays sales come into play and it passes PS4 launches aligned, you and others will all of a sudden be using the same arguement.

"Thats not a fair comparison, Switch had a post launch holiday but PS4 hasnt yet!!!"

Im willing to bet at least a half dozen people will say this.



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zorg1000 said:
bluedawgs said:
Nintendo fans conceding that it makes sense that the argument that Switch's launch in March is no different than PS4's November launch due to the amount a company can actually produce to meet demand would mean that they give up the only argument they have in regards to explaining how the Switch will somehow outsell PS4 despite being way behind launch aligned. That will not be given up easily.

Just watch, in a few months when Switch holidays sales come into play and it passes PS4 launches aligned, you and others will all of a sudden be using the same arguement.

"Thats not a fair comparison, Switch had a post launch holiday but PS4 hasnt yet!!!"

Im willing to bet at least a half dozen people will say this.

smh......

I am not making an argument if the NS will sell better than the PS4 launch aligned. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it does. I am of the few that felt the switch wouldn't be as successful as the wii.... while its still too early to call, I am firmly in the camp now that it will surpass the wii sales. Because its doing what I argued it wouldn't be able to do. Sell as both a handheld and a home console. Nothing wrong with making predictions if you have the integrity enough to at least admit you are wrong.

What we are talking about here is simple. The benefits of launching in holiday period as opposed to not. My argument is simple, and I think I have provided enough information to prove it.

It doesn't matter if you are still limited by stock either way.

I just showed the PS4 literally doubling the launch window sales two, three and probably this year making 4 years later during that same holidayt period. The constant here being the holiday period. Things sell better regardless. Difference is that a year after launch, due to an accumulation of stock in the channels there are more units to meet demand during the holiday period. That all goes out of the window with launch consoles because they don't have a stockpile hanging out on shelves to tap into.

Of course launch aligned the  the switch should pass the PS4 after it has its own holiday period. But then the arguument for sony would be that it was stock limited anyways evn when it launched and still sold about the same amount of units the switch sold during its own launch....regardless of when they launched. But this is a story for another day.

launch aligned, after this holiday I at the very least expect the switch to match or pass the PS4. thing though is that the PS4 will then see its own first post launch holiday period and it will pass the switch again. That will keep happening for a while. I expect you of all people on this site to know that.