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 http://www.pcgamer.com/intel-joins-forces-with-amd-to-battle-nvidia/

 https://www.wsj.com/articles/rivals-intel-and-amd-team-up-on-pc-chips-to-battle-nvidia-1509966064

 https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/6/16612048/intel-amd-partnership-nvidia-laptop-chip

 

"Currently, most enthusiast mobile PCs have Intel Core H-series processors plus higher-powered discrete graphics, resulting in systems that average 26mm in height. Compare this to thin and light laptops that are trending down to 16mm or less, with some even as thin as 11 mm. We wanted to find a way to improve this," Intel said.

The new chip package will be part of Intel's 8th generation Core processor family and will combine a Core H-series CPU with second generation high bandwidth memory (HBM2) and custom discrete graphics from AMD. Intel says the silicon footprint of this new part will be less than half that of standard discrete graphics components on a motherboard, making it possible for OEMs to design thinner and lighter laptops without sacrificing performance.

Intel and AMD are thinking big there, with an eye toward triple-A gaming and content creation.

"Our collaboration with Intel expands the installed base for AMD Radeon GPUs and brings to market a differentiated solution for high-performance graphics," said Scott Herkelman, vice president and general manager, AMD Radeon Technologies Group. "Together we are offering gamers and content creators the opportunity to have a thinner-and-lighter PC capable of delivering discrete performance-tier graphics experiences in AAA games and content creation applications. This new semi-custom GPU puts the performance and capabilities of Radeon graphics into the hands of an expanded set of enthusiasts who want the best visual experience possible."

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The idea came from Intel, which approached AMD about collaborating on a new chip, executives from both companies told PCWorld. At the outset, AMD is treating the Radeon core as a single-, semi-custom design similar to the custom graphics it supplies for game consoles like the Xbox One X and PlayStation 4.

Intel created a new connection for this project. At the heart of the design is an embedded multi-die interconnect bridge (EMIB), a small intelligent bridge that allows heterogeneous silicon to quickly pass information in close proximity. This is key in reducing the height requirements, and also cuts down on manufacturing and design complexities. Intel says this is the first product to take advantage of EMIB.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaHs_guCp2o

Intel will work with AMD on drivers for the Radeon GPU, with AMD writing the initial code and Intel packaging them for users to download. The goal is to deliver driver updates for new games on the day they are released, or shortly before, just as AMD and Nvidia currently do with their gaming graphics products.

This collaboration brings up several questions that will be answered in time. One of them is what impact this will have on Intel's own integrated graphics, along with AMD's mobile APUs. It will also be interesting to see how this affects Nvidia.

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High end Laptops.... could be intel + amd in future.



feels a bit weird as AMD's latest mobile APU is a beast, but as Intel has a lot of partners in the industry it should still be a great deal for them and get their silicon into many more laptops than before

I doubt that this has any implications for future MS/Sony consoles, as both will be highly advised to ensure backwards compatibility with their following gens and I imagine that's still a good deal easier with AMD CPUs



JRPGfan said:
High end Laptops.... could be intel + amd in future.

Or AMD Ryzen Mobile



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JRPGfan said:
High end Laptops.... could be intel + amd in future.

High end Laptops is a bit misleading. This technology will be in small form factor laptops like Ultrabooks. The performance will increase because so far you had to decide if you want a fast CPU or a fast GPU. Now you can have both. But it's still around 15TDP so you can't expect anything close to what actual high end laptops deliver.

In big gaming laptops you will have dedicated GPUs anyway so the poroblem of having to choose between one or another doesn't even come up.



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I was hoping this would mean you could get a semi-decent gaming experience for a reasonable price on a laptop. This doesn't seem to be that at all.

Budget gaming laptops is an open market, one that I guess there just isn't the technology to fill yet.



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JRPGfan said:
High end Laptops.... could be intel + amd in future.

High end Laptops is a bit misleading. This technology will be in small form factor laptops like Ultrabooks. The performance will increase because so far you had to decide if you want a fast CPU or a fast GPU. Now you can have both. But it's still around 15TDP so you can't expect anything close to what actual high end laptops deliver.

In big gaming laptops you will have dedicated GPUs anyway so the poroblem of having to choose between one or another doesn't even come up.

its useing "HBM2" as onboard memory (expensive still, faster than GDDR5/6).... this wont just be for ultra thins.

It ll be thiner than throwing in a discrete nvidia mobile gpu, but be able to perform as such basically.

This more than just the low end of performance spectrum, this could eat away at nvidia's laptop gpu sales.

 

I see this as Intel wanting to do like Nvidia 1060+ level's of graphics in laptops.

And future laptops below that level, you wont find a nvidia geforce inside laptops from Intel.

Naturally AMD will do their own thing so.. yeah, its gonna eat away at nvidia laptop market.

Which basically means the only laptops with nvidia gpus in them, might end up being the really high end gameing laptops.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 07 November 2017

Hmm.



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https://www.anandtech.com/show/12003/intel-to-create-new-8th-generation-cpus-with-amd-radeon-graphics-with-hbm2-using-emib

"With Intel buying chips from AMD, it stands to reason they could be buying more than one configuration, depending on how Intel wanted to arrange the product stack. Intel could pair a smaller 10 CU design with a dual core, and a bigger 20+ CU design with a quad-core mobile processor. A couple of benchmark sources seem to believe that there is at least two configurations in Polaris-like configurations, with up to 24 CUs in the high-end model."

24 CU's = 1536 Core's.

For compairison with The RX 400 Mobile series, m470x is 896 cores.

AMD Polaris 11 supposedly has 1024 cores (streamprocessors) and does ~2 Tflop of gpu compute.

If I had stock in Nvidia this would worry me.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 07 November 2017

JRPGfan said:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12003/intel-to-create-new-8th-generation-cpus-with-amd-radeon-graphics-with-hbm2-using-emib

"With Intel buying chips from AMD, it stands to reason they could be buying more than one configuration, depending on how Intel wanted to arrange the product stack. Intel could pair a smaller 10 CU design with a dual core, and a bigger 20+ CU design with a quad-core mobile processor. A couple of benchmark sources seem to believe that there is at least two configurations in Polaris-like configurations, with up to 24 CUs in the high-end model."

24 CU's = 1536 Core's.

For compairison with The RX 400 Mobile series, m470x is 896 cores.

AMD Polaris 11 supposedly has 1024 cores (streamprocessors) and does ~2 Tflop of gpu compute.

If I had stock in Nvidia this would worry me.

Nvidoomed?.

I don't think it's going to be anything that will revolutionise the world, especially when the deal is for laptops.