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Aeolus451 said:
binary solo said:

wsell, someone did open the door saying "Asians" don't play around when it comes to terrorism. So that was a non-Philippines specific statement. Now if the statement had simply been "Filippinos don't play around with terrorism" things might not have spiralled. But given the Muslim seperatist history of the Philippines it's arguable that Filippinos don't play around with this sort of thing.

Not sure Duterte and "sensitive" really go together. Kind of like Trump and natural sun tan don't go together. So I wouldn't hold your breath on that.

It spiralled because of some people acting in an asisinine way got hung up on semantics. Anyone could tell I was talking about Asians (chinese, japanese, koreans, filippinos) and not the continent. It's like a couple of adults are talking, a kid comes along and overhears a part of the conversation but tries to correct one of them on something that has jack shit to do with what they were talking about. 

Well, you should have been more precise in your languafge and said "East Asians". Different people have different views of what "Asian" means, and you should not assume your conception is the same as others.

But even so your original assertion, accepting your narrow definition of Asian, is dubious since the Philippines itself has not dealt with its Islamic separatist problem for decades.



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binary solo said:
Aeolus451 said:

It spiralled because of some people acting in an asisinine way got hung up on semantics. Anyone could tell I was talking about Asians (chinese, japanese, koreans, filippinos) and not the continent. It's like a couple of adults are talking, a kid comes along and overhears a part of the conversation but tries to correct one of them on something that has jack shit to do with what they were talking about. 

Well, you should have been more precise in your languafge and said "East Asians". Different people have different views of what "Asian" means, and you should not assume your conception is the same as others.

But even so your original assertion, accepting your narrow definition of Asian, is dubious since the Philippines itself has not dealt with its Islamic separatist problem for decades.

I disagree. I'm not gonna dumb down it. I used asian in the right context with how it's understood today. Anyone with a brain knew what I meant. It's not rocket science. If you don't know understand, I don't care. If you want to fixate on semantics and forget the forest for the trees, I don't care. No one ever says east asian. What kind of asinine shit is that? Are you serious?



Ka-pi96 said:
Leadified said:

Of course, the optimal solution here to combat Islamic fundamentalism is that we do the exact same thing as them except from a secular angle. /s

Of course! Because 2 wrongs make a right and.... oh, wait a minute...

Yeah, it can't work, too crude and it creates risk of endless retaliations.
The best tactic could be duplicity, the same false moderate muslims (and false moderate communists) use, preach love and brotherood in public, then strike them mercilessly when nobody is seeing, finally, publicly condemn those evil actions unknown thugs did against our beloved brothers of another religion, rinse and repeat.   



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binary solo said:
Philippines has had a Muslim separatist conflict for decades. The main antagonists have rather an amusing acronym for their name: Moro Islamic Liberation Front, or MILF. But there's nothing amusing about their methods.

Seems like ISIS getting in to the game is a pretty big deal in terms of escalating the Muslim separatist efforts.

Duterte could have strong-manned the MILF if they remained isolated from the global terror network. But ISIS coming in to support the MILF (presumably) might make things a bit more challenging for Duterte.

If the situation is the same as here I wouldn't worry about it too much. Taliban Pakistan was loosing so they started acting like they have joined Daesh cause Daesh is the new hip terrorist scum organization. But real links between the Syrian Daesh and Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan is yet to be made. Those scum still get away with some attacks but thankfully the frequency and magnitude have greatly reduced over the last two years



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Aeolus451 said:
binary solo said:

Well, you should have been more precise in your languafge and said "East Asians". Different people have different views of what "Asian" means, and you should not assume your conception is the same as others.

But even so your original assertion, accepting your narrow definition of Asian, is dubious since the Philippines itself has not dealt with its Islamic separatist problem for decades.

I disagree. I'm not gonna dumb down it. I used asian in the right context with how it's understood today. Anyone with a brain knew what I meant. It's not rocket science. If you don't know understand, I don't care. If you want to fixate on semantics and forget the forest for the trees, I don't care. No one ever says east asian. What kind of asinine shit is that? Are you serious?

Well you should ask real Asians about how its done. We all know that western southern Asia is the middle east Then places like Kazakhstan and China etc are central Asia. We in Pakistan and out neighbors to the east India and Bangladesh and Srilanka are South Asia and the islands east of us are South East Asia and countries like the Koreas and Japan are East Asia. I don't where the hell Russia comes in I've never heard of North Asia but that would be it. See the entire continent of Asia from an Asian perspective



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Aeolus451 said:
VGPolyglot said:

I don't think you realize where Syria and Iraq are.

I don't think of those countries as Asian and alot of people don't refer to them as asian. 

I don't think of them as Asian so screw geography facts and culture teehee.

outlawauron said:
VGPolyglot said:

No one is a huge exaggeration. Even the UN puts them as part of Western Asia:

http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/westasia.pdf

"huge exagerration"?

So the first countries you think of when you say Asia is Yemen, Iran, and Syria? I don't. China, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Phillippines, India, etc.

Yup. I am Asian and Pakistani . I think of China India Afghanistan Iran Iraq Syria even Turkey and Russia. Since I am away from the eastern asians I don't think of them as Asian at first thought. See America and Americans don't get to decide what is Asian. Geography facts culture and the people that live there do. I am Asian and I am sure anyone in any country that is in Asia if he has time to think about it will think he's Asian because he/she is freaking asian

Aeolus451 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, but you wre trying to say that no one considers Iraq and Syria Asian, which is just wrong. 

No one does consider them asian. You're getting hung up on semantics that don't make any real sense in a pratical world. It's outdated. It's idiotic to consider russians to be asians when they even don't. Nor does Syria or Iraq consider themselves asian.  

Nope just no. No American thinks of them as Asian Go ask UK they will think of something else as Asian and anyone in Europe or Africa will think differently. Just because someone thinks something doesn't make it fact Fact is that Asia is the largest continent with the most countries from Turkey to Japan and from Russia to the islands like Philippines

Aeolus451 said:
Mystro-Sama said:

They're on the continent of Asia therefore they are asians. Ignoring that just because you don't like it would go against reason.

None of these countries think of themselves as asian except a handful. It's an outdated term. 

Actually we do we take part in Asian alliances and Reality and logic dictate that we are Asian. Cone with me to every geographically Asian country and ask a ton of people in each country whether they are Asian or not. Americans don't get to decide what Asians are thank goodness otherwise countries like Pakistan and India would be those brown guys from that place which is the largest continent but they are not Asian they are between the middle east and Asians and the Africans would be the blacks. Asia is Asia and will continue to be Asia no matter who thinks what. Asia is this massive continent with many Aryan people but sino people as well as a mix of different t cultures. The middle east is mostly part of Asia and it spans from turkey to Japan and everything in between and from Russia to those islands above Australia with Everything in between. Americans have to correct themselves not the other way around. Its like saying to a citizen of a country that he is not a citizen of that country because he is from the southern side and I don't consider the southern side part of the country. A continent is a continent and Asia is still used as a continent except by Americans



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Eagle367 said:
Aeolus451 said:

I disagree. I'm not gonna dumb down it. I used asian in the right context with how it's understood today. Anyone with a brain knew what I meant. It's not rocket science. If you don't know understand, I don't care. If you want to fixate on semantics and forget the forest for the trees, I don't care. No one ever says east asian. What kind of asinine shit is that? Are you serious?

Well you should ask real Asians about how its done. We all know that western southern Asia is the middle east Then places like Kazakhstan and China etc are central Asia. We in Pakistan and out neighbors to the east India and Bangladesh and Srilanka are South Asia and the islands east of us are South East Asia and countries like the Koreas and Japan are East Asia. I don't where the hell Russia comes in I've never heard of North Asia but that would be it. See the entire continent of Asia from an Asian perspective

I'm part Japanese.  Most of these places won't call themselves as East Asian or some other silly shit. Most of these places think of themselves as their country and not as asian. It's clear that most places don't go by outdated definitions of certain things. For example, the latin word for black. Meanings change. Maps change. It's idiotic to fixate on semantics when they're outdated.



Ka-pi96 said:
Aeolus451 said:

I'm part Japanese.  Most of these places won't call themselves as East Asian or some other silly shit. Most of these places think of themselves as their country and not as asian. It's clear that most places don't go by outdated definitions of certain things. For example, the latin word for black. Meanings change. Maps change. It's idiotic to fixate on semantics when they're outdated.

Not sure how true that is. I'd assume it's more they think of themselves as from their own country first and foremost (as does literally most of the world), but they also won't deny that they are Asian. Similar to a Canadian saying they are Canadian, but not rejecting the fact that they are also a north American, or a Lithuanian also being an eastern European.

This exactly. I mean who the hell even thinks of Asia as outdated anyways? The continent of Asia is not an outdated concept by any definition of the world. Of cour, e most people think of themselves in regards to  their country and hell even their province or city but when explicitly asked they will say they are asian. I mean geographically if someone asks an arab and a japanese which continent they belong to they will say nothing but Asia. It is used for categorisation and we are all Asian whether some Japanese(I still think the person is American because I don't believe a Japanese to say stuff like this) vgchartz commentator says we are not or the term for the largest continent on the planet is outdated. Hell treaties are made based on continent like the European Union or treaties like SAARC or between mexico, USA and Canada. It is not outdated and is stupid for a vgchartz commentator to decide geography should work like they think



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Aeolus451 said:
Ugh. This is actually a little surprising. ISIS will likely get stamped out there though. Asians don't really play around.

Not surprising to me.  They've had Muslim groups that were against the government for a long time on the southern islands.  I believe the main group was called MILF ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Islamic_Liberation_Front ) which is funny considering in the west MILF means Mother/Mom I'd Like to Fuck.  So my guess is that these fractured groups are just trying to unify under one group.